The 'Complete' Nexus of the Cold War - CIA Drug Trafficking - the War on Terror

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's really nice to see such an excellent research project about an issue that's so incredibly important (the illicit drug trade through history up till present).

I read through a lot of that page and I see you've done some excellent work on it, adding in plenty of links to sources and simplifying it into a concise history. I'm really happy with what you've done and will definitely share this page with others.

You really deserve my highest praises and ATS really needs a few clones of you to help lift this website's quality.

Top notch premium stuff!
Let's get this thread to the top of the front page folks!

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: kelbtalfenek

If it changed over to 90% of cannabis production was internal by regular folks so much money would flow thru the whole system there'd be no need to stoke the coffers of the weapons industry 'to have an economy'. Hell all that gold the wealthy sitting on they could turn into jewelry and sell to all us fools and make fat stacks.

That's just it...the transfer of wealth would topple the system. Do you think that they want you, or me or any of the "normal" folk to have that kind of a profit margin? Nope, not even close to it. They want us sucking from the teats of commercialism and inter-dependency. They also want us scared of "terrorists" because having us scared makes us easy to control.

But I agree that the first step would be to loosen the controls on THC based products and see which way the market goes with it.

a reply to: muzzleflash


Thanks! That means a lot.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I guess "Professors claim farmers markets cultivate racism" is more profound and important than all this here at "Above Top Secret"...

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: muzzleflash

I guess "Professors claim farmers markets cultivate racism" is more profound and important than all this here at "Above Top Secret"...

When I saw you say that I was like "nuh uh! really?" then I went and checked the board list and I saw, yes, yes indeed, it IS!

The conditioning and the mental programming is so powerful, how do we stand up against it?

I'll think about this and try to come up with a good idea then I'll post it in here.
If I don't post again tonight - my head exploded (clearly because I'm going to go past the farmer's market)!

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
That's just it...the transfer of wealth would topple the system. Do you think that they want you, or me or any of the "normal" folk to have that kind of a profit margin?

It wouldnt. They already own 'everything' thats Big.

So if we have more money to spend then there's more consumption and it all keeps working, they keep making money ontop of the money they have thats on top of the gold they posess thats on top of all the best properties they sit on.

The tech angles I speak to are the whats what in their latest games of stymie, but I dotn want to further torpedo the thread with all that.

Here we have a War of Drugs that they lock US up for, we have them running some significant amount of the drugs themselves, the rest just keep some dinosaur structures in play, but we they dont need all that. They might think they do but it just isnt true. More money flowing every which way but south and down itll all pick itself up. Then we can find new things to fight about.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Just about 1/2way through your collection of information now. You've assembled a good case with a great deal of information. Some of the information I knew, but some is quite new to me. Thank you for putting in the time to do it. I will add some specific questions and comments when I have completely read your opus.

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Dig. A lot of its been stewing up this year, tons came out as I went about trying to snipe the smallest pieces I could to work the puzzle together as compact as I could.

Didnt have too many 'scratchpad' leftovers, except the Jeb Bush bits came at the end and it was a lot to chew and argh I skipped on it for now but heres the link I kept to dig at again in the next go around:

www.waynemadsenreport.com...

The other links I have pretty much demand go for that, except this bit I got from texas bank wiki page:

In 1977, Lady Bird (Claudia Taylor) Johnson (wife of President Lyndon Baines Johnson) became a director of Texas Commerce Bank and Texas Commerce Bancshares in Houston. Other directors were former President Gerald R. Ford, Jr., former U.S. Representative Barbara Jordan and the Odessa oil industrialist Bill Noël. At one time Ken Lay of Enron was a director. Past presidents of the bank include Thomas E. Locke of Lubbock. Jeb Bush's career started with an entry-level position in the international division of the Texas Commerce Bank, a job he received through James A. Baker, III, a longtime family friend and chairman of the board. Bush assisted in drafting communications for the company's chairman, Ben Love. In November 1977 he was sent to the Venezuelan capital of Caracas to open a new operation for the bank. Bush spent about two years there, working in international finance. He eventually worked for the bank's executive program.
content.scholastic.com...

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Sir, you have done outstanding work. I know many separate facts, I even consider WoD to be conspiracy to keep prices up, population down and prisons full for 15 years now. Not to mention notorious CIA.

But I have never considered US drug policy (overt and covert) as institution for itself, as one of leading principles of western socioeconomic system.

Thank you very much and keep fighting.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I really like how you tied Al Q, Syria, and ISIS/ISIL into it. I've been mulling over writing something about the Islamic State for awhile now, but I'm still unsure what angle I'd approach it from.

I think most people believe the IS is "defeated" as of recent events, but I'm thinking the political movement is only having birth pangs currently and will pick up steam in the coming years.

I also still believe that some crazy stuff will be happening in Saudi, Iran, Turkey, and Israel and that this will all tie into everything in surprising ways.

Of course the IS is a global movement (like Al Q) so I expect to see developments worldwide.

Hmmmm.....

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
the Odessa oil industrialist Bill Noël.

I grew up in Odessa Texas. Graduated in 1999 at Permian and left for Lubbock to TTU.

The Bush family are like local heroes and anytime they visit everyone gives them a very positive welcome. Well, nearly everyone lol.

We (who escaped Odessa) call it "Slo-detha" because it's really a dead end city.

In recent years they had a oil boom and the population more than doubled because the drilling got big again. There are rigs and derricks everywhere. It went bust a few years ago when the Saudis flooded the market but things have slowly picked back up there (give or take) since.

My grandma and aunt live there and I talk to them so I hear about the local events fairly often etc.

I've lived in a lot of places since (Nashville currently) and don't miss it lol. Anyways just found the connection interesting.

I know tons of stories about drug war corruption and have seen some crazy stuff first hand relating to that city as it's right along a major smuggling corridor.

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius

But I have never considered US drug policy (overt and covert) as institution for itself, as one of leading principles of western socioeconomic system.

Thanks. The full ramifications of that angle which you put so well is rather new to me actually. I've been obsessed with American Imperialism forever now, regarding 911 I've always been obsessed with the Al Qaeda + CIA + KLA in Yugoslavia = heroin angle, I knew about Air America, and Iran Contra, some other bits, Afghanistan, but until I first set to do version 1 of this last year it didnt hit me that the drugs is the only way to truly see the full picture of it all.

That History Channel America's Drug War this year really filled a bunch of early gaps the Cuba angle I missed before, which really set my chronology instinct off again. Then i only meant to spend an extra day sprucing v1 up for the new site, an got sucked in for a full 5 days lol. I actually have a bunch of other CIA drugs docu's I didnt get to this round, but I will when I get my video series period back up around WW2 finally....

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Drug trade is know used by TPTB as multifaceted tool:

1. it generates loads of black money for bribery, self-enrichment, other black ops.
2. it generates loads of dirt which is later used to intimidate former "assets".
3. in producing countries and in new markets it is used to infiltrate and corrupt everything from local gangs to police president, gaining substantial and almost hidden power in targeted country.

4. in USA selling of product on the street was not enough so devilish experiment was proposed and prison industrial complex emerged. It is simply genius: Lets make money not only on product itself but also on our customers as prisonfodder.

All this may not exist without "war on drugs" as internal part of this lovely tool.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Well AQ runs as merc allies straight up into 2000/2001. Then 911 of course it was like they never happened, our ultimate all time forever nemesis. By round 2006 "AQ in Iraq" was so big they had their own name, which we came to call "ISIL"... but they were still a division of AQ much like Al Nusra actually means "al-Qaeda in Syria or al-Qaeda in the Levant". Levant = Syria, forever it has. It really wasnt until after the Syria war got going did AQ in I add the L(evant) and become the full ISIL. Now just before all that went down, when CIA/NATO hosted their little conference in Turkey to marshall the GLADIO/B terrorist forces to swoop into Syria, AQinI and AQ were still the same org effectively. But then right about then all the sudden there was ISIS and they were the devil, they were competitors with AQ across the region, both trying to setup up mirror imperial Islamic States, and supposedly bitter enemies all the sudden. Of course conveniently just before all that OBL was "killed", and yet Zawahiri was ready to bury the hatchet and be CIA minions again all the sudden. Or at least thats the story for all the sheeple here at home. Now the MSM would only talk about ZOMG ISIS, AQ was to only be referred to as "moderate rebels", and away we go. You see it seems they thought the incrsion would be over in a jiffy, the CIA Hillary Obama McCain that is, but then it wasnt, so now it was abotu getting it hot enough for Russia to finally step up and help their long standing ally there in Assad, and as soon as that happened now Hillary etc finally had their scapegoat for the entire quote "genocide". Im sure they were tripping over themselves for that turn because by now peopel were figuring out that the people whom were our allies months before 9/11 but then did 9/11 to start all this are now our full blown allies AGAIN, well people were figuring it out.

So then theres the part where the drugs comes in. Now looking back 10 years from the start of Syria, our troops were protecting the poppies, the Taliban / AQ were harvesting them, Bush nor Obama would attack the labs, etc. Which gives us continuity between pre-911 and post-911 across that stretch were supposedly they were our enemies, now fully embraced as not being so post-OBL, which thus casts doubt on the official 911 conspiracy theory like never before, which I've always stayed cemented on the Yugoslavia alliance (when OBL already declared war on US, supposedly, but was working side by side with CIA the whole time; right during the timeline when USSR empire was DEAD and we needed a new perpetual enemy). For me that angle always blew apart the 911 Commission story which completely ignored all that. Now with continuity established right up to outright re-alliance, the official version is annihilated.

Meaning we should have a new true full blown 911 Truth Movement resurgence, but of course the die hards from 'both sides the 911 conspiracy isle' only want to talk about controlled demolitions and the like. So thats a whole nother ordeal to try to revive....

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

That’s an incredible piece of work you have put into that webpage and this whole Darkest Patterns series. I look forward to going through it all as I get the opportunity.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Thanks! I'm just getting warmed up...

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I've been digging and digging and trying to digest this material (I still have a lot of links to examine.) All I can say is that I didn't know that the rabbit hole was this deep. I didn't realize the extent of the CIA powerplay throughout the world and how it's tentacles were based in the narcotics trade. The US really is a narco state, utilizing drugs, and guns to provide power and usurp almost every country in which it has dealings. The scope is much broader than I could have imagined. There are thousands of deaths tied up in all of this. People are recruited, groomed, placed into positions of power and then toppled when they are deemed threats.

The real questions are: how much of this can be proven in some sort of legal setting? Who knows about it? How is the narcotics trade being looked at with a blind eye abroad, in fact given a green-light, thumbs up and even financially backed by agencies of the US government? It just seems to me that almost every major conflagration in the last 60 years has involved the CIA, drugs, and/or CIA backed guns running to destabilize every single regime...for the sole purpose of keeping the drugs running. Could this be the reason that the US didn't listen to Ho Chi Minh in Paris in the late 1940's/early 1950s...which gave him the momentum to contact the Russians and become the communist that we were taught to hate/fear? (Meanwhile the US backed the very corrupt southern regime.)

Above all this is a self perpetuating system and someone is getting really wealthy from it, as well as having their way with regimes which are not necessarily favorable to the USA. Are narcotics and arms dealings really the face of diplomacy? If so, our foreign policy is despicable and the system needs to be changed. People need to know about this.

In reading your piece, all I could see was that scene in "Lord of War" or whatever that Nicholas Cage movie is...when he's sitting in an interrogation room with Ethan Hawke and Cage says something to the effect of: "Your boss is going to walk into this room, pat you on the back and tell you to let me go... "

But certainly this information is not easy to digest in terms of the damage it portrays, internally to the US and it's citizens and externally to the world. My head is spinning trying to rewrite the history I was taught and knew to be fact.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I've been digging and digging and trying to digest this material (I still have a lot of links to examine.) All I can say is that I didn't know that the rabbit hole was this deep. I didn't realize the extent of the CIA powerplay throughout the world and how it's tentacles were based in the narcotics trade. The US really is a narco state, utilizing drugs, and guns to provide power and usurp almost every country in which it has dealings. The scope is much broader than I could have imagined. There are thousands of deaths tied up in all of this. People are recruited, groomed, placed into positions of power and then toppled when they are deemed threats.

I know, I know!


I have mind to do up a big 'total' body count from the whole thing, but my plate so overloaded for now we''ll see as its not something that I could whip up in a good long evening like I could here:
America's death toll on the world: 27,000,000++

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: muzzleflash

I guess "Professors claim farmers markets cultivate racism" is more profound and important than all this here at "Above Top Secret"...

And after day and half still is ...

It is really shame your opus magnum designed specifically for this site got attention of subpar puppy video.

Do you plan to publish it somewhere else?

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Above all this is a self perpetuating system and someone is getting really wealthy from it, as well as having their way with regimes which are not necessarily favorable to the USA. Are narcotics and arms dealings really the face of diplomacy? If so, our foreign policy is despicable and the system needs to be changed. People need to know about this.

Ask yourself: What is USA? Lot of answers are more ore less valid, but there is no final, one sentence, answer. Then question: "Which regimes are favorable to the USA?", is very complex. It may be simplified if we observe something like force field of US politics ... rich punch of pharmaceutical, bio engineering, tech, weapon, oil, coal, nuclear, etc. manufacturers + theirs buddies from "financial sector" + propaganda branch in media. One ring bound them all and it is CIA. Congress, President, bla bla, those are just PR puppets to save decorum and keep plebs distracted from real business.

Like it or not, at least last 70 years is USA imperialistic project and I have to say: Till now it was really successful one.