police shot my friend in a peaceful town

a reply to: SatansPride

I didnt see that he'd died. It hurts to lose a friend and i'm not clear on what the hidden story is that you are referring to.

Your friend didnt seem to do much to protect his own life though sadly.

originally posted by: SatansPride
a reply to: chris_stibrany

the town & statey are totally lying about what happened, a lot of people drove by when this was goin on. he made a lot of bad choices lol, just they are trigger happy & i cant run from a cop now without thinkin imma get shot. its america not north korea

What are they lying about? It's also been common knowledge for atleast 50 years that you don't run from police, they will find you, they will catch you, and if you make them chase you, you endanger them, which escalates the use of force.

No. You can't run from law enforcement unless you understand the risk of running and it's worth risking your life.

Your buddy wasn't just clipped by trigger happy cops for no reason. The shooter may have been trigger happy, but what did your friend do to get chased by him?

Not saying it justifies the shooting, but again, it's not like they just plugged an innocent man either.

Not a great example to be championing an uprising. Maybe if the cop had shot a kid who had no record and didn't do anything wrong, but a career criminal selling H and robbing people, sounds like it caught up to him.

Life of crime comes with accepted risk. He accepted the risk by his own agency and came out in the wrong side of the risk:reward calculation.

Again, this doesn't mean the cop is justified, but ffs man. You can't break federal mandate and then run, that's not North Korea. North Korea kills you with 40mm cannons, then runs over your body with tanks for allegedly shooting pornography with other consenting adults.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Dan Switzen hid a spy camera in a tissue box in the bathroom of his Westchester, N.Y. home in order to spy on his teenage au pair.

Oh snap, you believe the police report; shooting justified, because he had 'priors'? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Because the article stated that the cops who killed the guy stated that he deserved it because they arrested him before?

originally posted by: SatansPride
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

lol ya

Yeah your boy probably had it coming.

I wouldn’t come here extolling criminals.

They probably shot him in the middle of committing a crime. Now they’re in the investigation part and aren’t releasing too much info.

Might be a peaceful town OP. But your buddy made his bed. Don’t be a criminal and this won’t happen to you.

Seems the OP knew a career criminal.

However, for those of you turning up your noses, for those of you bashing the dead man whilst he cannot speak for himself, I think you are missing something.

There is no law which supports shooting a fleeing suspect, whether ones intention is to do so to promote their capture, or to end them right then and there. Regardless of the alleged difference in margins for operation of lethal force, which State Troopers may enjoy when compared to the restrictions on it experienced by city police agencies, the fact remains that shooting an unarmed individual is NEVER the right thing to do, unless they pose an immediate threat to the lives of citizens or other officers. For example, an unarmed man who has an officer or a citizen in a chokehold, and expresses an intention to break the neck of the individual they have their arm around the neck of, is asking to get shot. A man fleeing for his damned life, who has not a firearm, has not thrown a knife, or a rock, or anything else at officers, should not find himself running all the way into a pine box in the ground.

It does not matter, do you understand? It does not matter that he ran, it does not matter that he was a career criminal, and it does not matter that he was a junky, a dealer, a whatever the hell he was. Unless he was armed or causing a direct threat to the lives of officers and the public, that man should still be walking around on the planet, albeit in a jail cell, so not walking far. He should not be dead, and the only reason he is dead, is because police officers know that no matter what horrific thing they do, they will never be properly admonished for it, never be treated as firmly as anyone else would for violating the rules by which they are supposed to live.

A gun should not have been DRAWN, leave alone discharged during this incident, because you cannot catch a running man with lead, you can only kill or injure him. If their intention was capture, they should have been chasing the fellow, not shooting at him.

a reply to: projectvxn

Might be a peaceful town OP. But your buddy made his bed. Don’t be a criminal and this won’t happen to you.

Drug abuse being one of those summary execution crimes, got it.

Probably a criminal, deserved it and all.

You don't have to be a criminal to be killed by the police nowadays, all you have to do is be 'suspicious', run away, fail to follow exact instructions, 'have priors', etc.

originally posted by: SatansPride
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

[SNIP]

You lost me right there.

My sympathies for the loss of your friend, and I'm totally against the excessive police force (and outright brutality) we see playing out across the country... but calling your friend a "peach" when he does in fact have a considerable criminal record isn't out of line, and certainly didn't warrant your response.

No one deserves to die at the hands of police because of doing drugs. But I'm pretty sure that's not why he was shot.

On the other hand, we are currently seeing an epidemic of opioid addiction... and overdoses... and therefore death. Your friend was directly contributing to and feeding this tragic situation. It's quite likely that your friend was also addicted to heroin, and therefore not in his "right" mind -- desperate people do desperate things.

We can -- and should -- hold police accountable for their misdeeds... but the bad behavior of the police doesn't give your friend a free pass.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
Seems the OP knew a career criminal.

However, for those of you turning up your noses, for those of you bashing the dead man whilst he cannot speak for himself, I think you are missing something.

There is no law which supports shooting a fleeing suspect, whether ones intention is to do so to promote their capture, or to end them right then and there. Regardless of the alleged difference in margins for operation of lethal force, which State Troopers may enjoy when compared to the restrictions on it experienced by city police agencies, the fact remains that shooting an unarmed individual is NEVER the right thing to do, unless they pose an immediate threat to the lives of citizens or other officers. For example, an unarmed man who has an officer or a citizen in a chokehold, and expresses an intention to break the neck of the individual they have their arm around the neck of, is asking to get shot. A man fleeing for his damned life, who has not a firearm, has not thrown a knife, or a rock, or anything else at officers, should not find himself running all the way into a pine box in the ground.

It does not matter, do you understand? It does not matter that he ran, it does not matter that he was a career criminal, and it does not matter that he was a junky, a dealer, a whatever the hell he was. Unless he was armed or causing a direct threat to the lives of officers and the public, that man should still be walking around on the planet, albeit in a jail cell, so not walking far. He should not be dead, and the only reason he is dead, is because police officers know that no matter what horrific thing they do, they will never be properly admonished for it, never be treated as firmly as anyone else would for violating the rules by which they are supposed to live.

A gun should not have been DRAWN, leave alone discharged during this incident, because you cannot catch a running man with lead, you can only kill or injure him. If their intention was capture, they should have been chasing the fellow, not shooting at him.

That's all well and good, but leading police on a Chase does pose risk of death to bystanders which does put Innocents at risk of death or permanent injury. We also don't know, maybe he turned around and clutched his waist band or gave police reason to believe he was armed or posing greater risk than what's mentioned above.

I don't believe in the war on drugs, and I certainly believe he'd still be alive if it weren't for the war on drugs, but the investigation is on going and details are missing. Given the deceased's previous record, the most probable explanation here is that he created the scenario and the perceived risk that resulted in his death, lawfully.

That may turn out to not be true, and an open mind is needed, but given the limited body of information we have, it seems far fetched and less probable that he didn't do anything to justifiably cause that result.

A shame certainly, but someone being chased can "clap back" with very minimal notice. Don't just assume there was no reason to draw, when chasing someone who is running because they obviously don't want to get caught, comes the assumption they will kill you just to not be caught.

Be ready for the unexpected or die is common sense in a Chase, that however doesn't mean he gave them any real indication to insinuate that would be the case.

In other words, your assumption there was no reason to draw is the same and just as wrong as those who condemn him solely for his previous record.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just saying.

a reply to: SatansPride

i cant run from a cop now without thinkin imma get shot

Have reasons to do that frequently, do you?

a reply to: intrptr

I think the OP is full of crap and is trying to cast doubt on the police for shooting his criminal friend.

Quote SatansPride

i cant run from a cop now without thinkin imma get shot

He's either trolling or he's really that stupid.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: SatansPride

i cant run from a cop now without thinkin imma get shot

Have reasons to do that frequently, do you?

Besides fearing for your life, you mean?

Other than the immunity from prosecution the police operate under and the increasing reports they are shooting unarmed suspects in the back, while running away...

no, no reason to fear for your life from the people who are supposed to be protecting you.

a reply to: projectvxn

I think the OP is full of crap and is trying to cast doubt on the police for shooting his criminal friend.

Quote SatansPride

Well then shoot him too. Get him to run first.

a reply to: TrueBrit
Yes actually the law can in fact shoot a fleeing suspect if they have reason to believe not doing so would put the general public in immediate harm. This man's record would likely support that defense, and over the years it could be said his transgressions have escalated in severity.

Desperate and seeking refuge, what would have happened had he chanced upon an innocent to take hostage to buy him time?? Im not saying that he did deserve it, I am saying the law will likely back that it was necessary for the public good. And you know what? The suspects victims from the past would testify to that and agree.

I also had a friend who was shot and killed by police in 2011. It was a devastating event that had me and everyone he knew in an uproar. But as time went on, I had to accept that it was his actions over his adult life that had led him into the situation where upon his timer ran out. Of course the family sued and escalated to federal court.

The heroin has gotten really bad up this way.
The local governments are encouraging it, even.

The strong liberal values of the northeast have only encouraged the problems...

Sucks to get shot over it, but don't go selling heroin and you probably won't get shot for selling heroin.

I know someone who was friends with one of the people busted in Sanford last year- 4.4 pounds of fentanyl, the largest bust in NH history. They also had a few pounds of heroin.
Street value was somewhere near 2 million.

fentanyl, for those who don't know, is essentially lab grade heroin. Three milligrams will kill you, takes about ten times that in heroin. Check my math, but that was enough fentanyl to give over two million people a fatal dose.


Any guesses where you get that much lab grade death?
Two places.

CIA "war on drugs" is where most of the stuff on the street comes from,
but big pharma sells the stuff legally with the help of the criminal medical industry. They're the ones getting these suckers hooked in the first place, and then turning them out on the street to source it elsewhere.


It's a big problem in these parts, and the only thing anyone has done about it so far is to start using tax dollars to buy them needles to help them shoot up cheaper- and give them a clean bed to sleep it off in.

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a reply to: intrptr

I’m guessing you have no interest in communicating like an adult.

The ATS law and order crowd in formation; "shoot first and ask questions later", a 'new' standard of Law enforcement, brought to you by Murder, Inc.

originally posted by: intrptr


The ATS law and order crowd in formation; "shoot first and ask questions later", a 'new' standard of Law enforcement, brought to you by Murder, Inc.

Well thanks for confirmation.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: intrptr

I think the OP is full of crap and is trying to cast doubt on the police for shooting his criminal friend.

Quote SatansPride

i cant run from a cop now without thinkin imma get shot

He's either trolling or he's really that stupid.

Certainly doesn't sound like grieving or mourning. Sounds like he's trying to cultivate the minds of the sympathetic to cause a legit blowback. In other words, he's using the death if his "friend" as a way to champion the disdain of law.

Sounds like his "friend" is a code word for my "dealer" and he's mad at the police for being dry. I don't think the OP is in his right mind. H is a powerful drug.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: intrptr

I’m guessing you have no interest in communicating like an adult.

Children shoot people and lie about it.

Adults have presumption of innocence, until proven guilty, in a court of law. Not summarily executed by "Peace Officers".

Of course the only argument you have is in lieu of video, isn't it?
That way its safe to presume he did something that warranted it, isn't it...

I must presume this small town has a different story to tell than the cops. This 'Criminal friend' as you call them, lives there, nows the town and the folk. You don't.

a reply to: intrptr
you know, even using a taser has resulted in failure and officer's deaths. Here is a very recent example in south florida of a deputy being chumped around with the suspect while having the taser used first.

Could have been a low charge, or thick clothes that failed to make contact with skin. A seaport officer died a couple years back after using a taser first, and was then shot and killed by the suspect. Sometimes deadly force is the only option.