Indialantic FL UFO MUFON Case 87314

a reply to: lambros56

I think so.

Remember, even in the days of VHS tapes, they had those rather small hand-held ones that you could put the tape right into.

And, to be fair, I actually could see sport fisherman hauling cameras because you never know when you're going to hook your trophy, and to these guys, hooking a trophy is just part of it, having a recording of the experience would be the gold. So, that's not all that hard for me to believe.

I'd have a question to the CGI folks, (again I remain highly skeptical of this video), but if someone could prove it's analogue tape, does that actually make it harder to alter with CGI? I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it if it actually made things much more complicated.

a reply to: Scrubdog


Well then, if these were SPORT FISHERMEN, having a VHS-C or Hi-8 camcorder onboard made sense. I (mistakenly) thought that this was a commercial fishing vessel.

originally posted by: lambros56
a reply to: facedye

Where they called " camcorders " back in 94 ?
I thought camcorders were later.
Could the date have been added to the video ?

great questions. from what i can tell, camcorders have been around since the early-mid 80's. they also varied in size greatly - you could have a bulky one with a considerable weight to it (think 3-7 pounds), or a smaller one meant for home videos and such with significantly worse quality.

the dates DEFINITELY could have been added later - i would also say that with the level of photo manipulation we have today, this could all be fabricated.

seriously, the state of UFO acceptance in the air these days is giving rise to some seemingly devious activity. this whole case seems a bit devious to me, and i can't really put my finger on exactly why.

originally posted by: Scrubdog
a reply to: lambros56

I think so.

Remember, even in the days of VHS tapes, they had those rather small hand-held ones that you could put the tape right into.

And, to be fair, I actually could see sport fisherman hauling cameras because you never know when you're going to hook your trophy, and to these guys, hooking a trophy is just part of it, having a recording of the experience would be the gold. So, that's not all that hard for me to believe.

I'd have a question to the CGI folks, (again I remain highly skeptical of this video), but if someone could prove it's analogue tape, does that actually make it harder to alter with CGI? I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it if it actually made things much more complicated.

these days, i'm confident our technology can mimic what an analog tape looked like in the 90's with no problem whatsoever.

i'm from brooklyn so i'll be showing my colors a little bit here by posting this, but this is a great example of how easily this could be done these days (SKIP TO 4:35):



i mean seriously, you can still easily buy those things on e-bay.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: facedye

He should have stopped the boat and tried to listen to see if they here copter blade hum. I am not so sure they are helicopters.

i thought about what you wrote here, and while i couldn't agree with you more, i'm pretty sure they thought they were being followed. towards the end of the footage you can hear one of the men behind the camera stating that "they're keeping pace with us."

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: facedye


Fascinating footage. Looks like the captain of the boat is attempting to get away from those UFO's as fast as he can!

Edit to add: Florida seems to a UFO "hot spot". ATS has what looks like over 50 threads related to various Florida UFO pictures and videos.

exactly! it's absolutely surreal. as i mentioned to 3daysgone, they were definitely under the impression that these objects were on their trail.

originally posted by: facedye
That bit about these lights being the "same configuration we've been seeing for the past hundred thousand years" is pretty revealing, as it clearly shows the poster's motivations and convictions.

What configuration are they talking about? I've been here a while and never heard of any mass UFO sightings having a particular/that same pattern??

I wouldn't be surprised if the original recorder kept the footage on a camcorder tape in a drawer and only just got their old tapes converted to digital. They probably forgot it even existed until recently and then decided to pass them on to a UFO hunter, who logged it onto MUFON.

As for the offshore oil rig theory; I'm sure the military/media would have reported that they were the source of light. Why cover it up with a story about military helicopters if it were just the oil rigs?

I have had a few camcorders in the 80's and 90's and they all recorded in full screen not wide screen like this video.

a reply to: facedye

Excellent write up.

I'm inclined towards hoax and CGI. Why? mainly because nobody ever gets footage like this. As the boat moves off at the 50 second mark the lights appear to be somehow fixed. They give me the impression of not being 'inside' the scene, but rather superimposed upon it by Adobe's After Effects.

This incident took place in '94, and has only recently been submitted to MUFON in October of this year. How has this been able to survive since '94 without ever seeing the light of day until October 2017?

Mid-90s was huge for UFOs and Area 51. It was a big enough scene to keep magazines going and there were frequently UFO docos on cable and satellite. The market for UFO videos was at its peak. It's entirely possible for someone to sit on footage like this...in theory. However, if this was genuine the guy could have made a serious amount of money and continued residuals. I imagine something on VHS in '94 could have made him close to a million dollars. It makes it hard to entertain the notion that he sat on it and never generated any word-of-mouth buzz.

ETA - the MUFON case doesn't include attachments. Where did the UFOVNI youtube channel get the footage?

a reply to: Kandinsky

thank you Kandinsky, truly appreciated!

but, you know..

I'm inclined towards hoax and CGI. Why? mainly because nobody ever gets footage like this.

somehow this just isn't enough of a rebuttal for me. in a way, it feels like the flood gates of information are being opened as a result of certain agencies declassifying material for some yet-unknown cause. the admittance our own government has made this month was pretty colossal imo, and we start seeing insanely interesting footage like this at the same time? you know? it doesn't seem like a coincidence.

They give me the impression of not being 'inside' the scene, but rather superimposed upon it by Adobe's After Effects.

i considered this as well, it appeared unnatural to me the first few times i watched it. but.. if i may be so bold.. when's the last time you've seen something technological hover in the air without wings or rotors?

I imagine something on VHS in '94 could have made him close to a million dollars. It makes it hard to entertain the notion that he sat on it and never generated any word-of-mouth buzz. ETA - the MUFON case doesn't include attachments. Where did the UFOVNI youtube channel get the footage?

exactly what i was thinking! however on the flipside, i wouldn't be surprised if they had someone waiting for them when they made it to shore to put some big 'ol red tape over the footage they just got. i know it sounds a bit silly, but hey, the DoD is now in the business of publishing UFO videos through the NYT - things have changed.

and i have NO idea where the actual footage came from, that's a great question! in fact.. i have an extended version i've seen available, without all the markings for MUFON in my OP (however the date is still there):

Original FB Upload

something is definitely off about this footage, but i really don't know what it is. we really might be looking at an actual set of UFOs following some fishermen in the ocean.

EDIT: after taking a closer look, i really don't think this is CGI. i'd like to see a great example of how CGI can create a motion blur effect like this:



that honestly looks consistent with the kind of motion blur you'd get on a 90's camcorder.

originally posted by: Kalixi

originally posted by: facedye
That bit about these lights being the "same configuration we've been seeing for the past hundred thousand years" is pretty revealing, as it clearly shows the poster's motivations and convictions.

What configuration are they talking about? I've been here a while and never heard of any mass UFO sightings having a particular/that same pattern??

from what i understand a lot of the cases of mass sightings reported similar clusters, shapes and colors seen here.

There’s something not right for a vhs conversion.

They might have cropped it into widescreen but this would mean that in the original 4:3 footage the date would have been far too far from the bottom.

As for the footage it is amazing if it is cgi. To me it looks like the lights were shot by the camera.

a reply to: facedye

Great post and definitely agree with your analysis. The video is being used as clickbait -- did you notice the last portion? Contains different footage, different day, with banners.

If they were that interested as to whatever the objects may or may not have been, then why didn't they just go and check it out?

Stupid

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Thing is, if it was anything out of the ordinary, Patricks Air Force Base is right down the street and they would have scrambled jets in no time flat....so, given no jets flying to investigate, I am suspicious of anything other than the official story.

There are no jets stationed at Patrick. It's not a fighter wing....PAFB is a very tiny base. I believe there are some helicopters and a few cargo planes there, no jets at all though. There is a pararescue wing there, and some TS stuff related to the Cape.

I lived right beside the flight line there for 3 years....

a reply to: facedye

i am going with flares of the "chandelier" type

a reply to: PokeyJoe

Depends, the always have C-130's and Hs60s at PAFB and often have jets from a visiting squadron or the astronauts T-38's. They do have some special training at the base and it is common to have see guys jumping out of C-130s with a small boat.

So maybe they are flares with parachutes that were part of a training mission.

I grew up just north of Indialantic in Cocoa Beach, very near Patrick Air Force base. It also important to know that Kennedy Space Center which is part of the Cape Caneveral Air Force base is also close.

I vaguely remember this incident making the news but I think the official story was flares for a training exersize. I was only only 11 at the time and unfortunately did not see it.

Edit to add:

Around 1990 I was flying a kite that got away from me and ended up flying offshore at one of PAFB's beaches, they appeared to scramble a helicopter to check it out. Now all the beaches have 'No Kite Flying' signs.

Looking at the FB Upload, it definitely looks like the footage from my old camcorder.
Even down to when they zoom in and the picture bounces all over the place.
And especially at the cut off at the end.

originally posted by: PokeyJoe

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Thing is, if it was anything out of the ordinary, Patricks Air Force Base is right down the street and they would have scrambled jets in no time flat....so, given no jets flying to investigate, I am suspicious of anything other than the official story.

There are no jets stationed at Patrick. It's not a fighter wing....PAFB is a very tiny base. I believe there are some helicopters and a few cargo planes there, no jets at all though. There is a pararescue wing there, and some TS stuff related to the Cape.

I lived right beside the flight line there for 3 years....

I've been living in this area (Indialantic is my beach) for decades...I can't say for certain what is at PAFB, but often there are jets flying around. Might be training or something, who knows...but they are around.