Should Atheism be a thing????

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

One can not argue that science is a religion...

that is a flawed argument

Religion does not change... it has its adherents who follow their holy books

Science changes according to what is discovered

Which means its not religious in any way, shape, or form

The 3 big religions, Judaism, christianity and Islam is all rooted from the same religion... First came Judaism, then it CHANGED, someone now believed in Christianity, later it CHANGED again, now some people believed in Islam...

i think YOURE argument is flawed...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

If religion does not change, why is there a NEW testament?

You may have noticed that from said NEW testament a new religion spawned... one which the people of the OLD testament disagree with...

Also, religion is about belief, science is filled with theories, you would have to believe in, for the rest of the science to be true, right?

said theories are testable, and repeatable... not all of course, but the ones that are not remain theory

Heres the difference....

IF science had a theory, and something new is discovered to be more truth... the ideas change according to the most widely accepted theory

IF Christianity suddenly discovered a new book written by the very hand of Jesus himself...

NOTHING would change... it would be dismissed by all religious "authorities" and branded "heretical"

It is not the topic of youre belief that makes religion, it is the belief itself!

But iam not here to discuss if science is a religion or not, i was simply saying that an atheist could be labeled as a believer in science, if you want a label for them..

ETA: Are you saying that believers in the big bang theory, belongs to another science group, than believers in, lets say the steady state universe?

How is that different from all the different groups of christianity?

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

The 3 big religions, Judaism, christianity and Islam is all rooted from the same religion... First came Judaism, then it CHANGED,

No... Judaism didn't change...

it is the same, and remains the same as it always has been...

Christianity spawned from the roots of Judaism

someone now believed in Christianity, later it CHANGED again, now some people believed in Islam...

Christianity was a new "evolving" religion in the first few centuries... it eventually solidified after many councils which discussed what the religion would believe... and various sects spawned from the early roman church...

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

But iam not here to discuss if science is a religion or not, i was simply saying that an atheist could be labeled as a believer in science, if you want a label for them..

sure you can label anyone anything you wish... science does not require belief, unlike religion

it has hard proof...

You're typing on it right now

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: intrptr

Agnostic accept some form of religious belief don't they?

They would be those that "don't know"... and except the possible existence of what they don't know

Atheists have no belief in gods/God... they want hard facts backed by evidence, something that religion can not provide...

Though, the hardcore religionists take advantage of the fact that everyone has some form of belief system, and call that belief in whatever it may be... religion. Which is just nonsense...

If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.
It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods.
Simply "there is no gods" is not enough for the hardcore religionist, they have to have a label on every thought relating to there religion pertaining to there gods....

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DISRAELI

"Gods don't exist" may not be a "belief", but it is still an opinion which may be consciously held by the mind.

But thats not what atheists say. They say, "I don't believe in your God" (the way you describe he, it, they).

To be fair, saying "I don't believe" is a faith statement, atheists have a choice
Also there is a group of atheists who choose to believe without evidence other things

There are churches/meeting places for atheists, their own communities, they are called Sunday assemblies, so I guess those atheists want to be labeled in the group
What does it matter

Then consider buddhists
Are Buddhists atheists? They have a belief in transcendence, not gods as such

I am a Christian but dislike being called religious, I am not, but I understand why people call me religious
Because in some aspects I am, others I am not

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

But iam not here to discuss if science is a religion or not, i was simply saying that an atheist could be labeled as a believer in science, if you want a label for them..

sure you can label anyone anything you wish... science does not require belief, unlike religion

it has hard proof...

You're typing on it right now

what if we go quantum? does the same proof stil hold water?



How is this possible? Does the observer have some influence of what will happen? are things what they are, because we BELIEVE them to be that way?

Some scientists argue that the higgs boson particle, was only found, because they BELIEVED it should be there.

Iam still gonna say that science is some form of religion, just without a god - but just to be clear, iam a believer myself

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: intrptr

Agnostic accept some form of religious belief don't they?

They would be those that "don't know"... and except the possible existence of what they don't know

Atheists have no belief in gods/God... they want hard facts backed by evidence, something that religion can not provide...

Though, the hardcore religionists take advantage of the fact that everyone has some form of belief system, and call that belief in whatever it may be... religion. Which is just nonsense...

If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.
It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods.
Simply "there is no gods" is not enough for the hardcore religionist, they have to have a label on every thought relating to there religion pertaining to there gods....

That would,be a fair comment, but
There are atheists who preach their faith like an evangelist
That is the difference

a reply to: madenusa

If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

I didn't call Atheism a religion...

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.

While it is most definitely not a religion... it is actually a belief system

it is a belief that gods/God do not exist... Simply because there is no evidence or proof of it

problem is, theres no proof gods/God don't exist either...

Thus Atheism is a belief system

Everyone has beliefs

a reply to: Akragon

Do we refer to “round earthers” by a specific distinction because they all believe the world as round??

Of course not..

I find it equivalent to referring to straight people as “sis genders”..

Something I doubt you agree with.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Of course, but what else do we apply that same logic to???

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

what if we go quantum? does the same proof stil hold water?

Perhaps one day it will...

this is the purpose of science... to explain the world as we know it...

And we have barely scratched the surface...

a reply to: intrptr

I think agnostics are just all around “I don’t know” while atheists reject the presented forms of religious doctrine.

a reply to: AkragonI was agreeing with you just adding to your quote, not throwing smack or content your way....lol

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Do we refer to “round earthers” by a specific distinction because they all believe the world as round??

Well of course not... because we know the earth is spherical... we've been there


On the other hand some like myself refer to "flat earthers" as Morons...

a reply to: network dude

Atheists don’t all believe in a random creation ..

They believe the established religions CANNOT be correct.

Hypothetically, If a god shows up tomorrow, they all convert.

a reply to: Jefferton

What evidence is that??

Testimonials???


Flat earth has the same amount of evidence.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

But in what way do we assign a group designation for believing the provable??

There is no ism for those who don’t believe in dragons..

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: madenusa

If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

I didn't call Atheism a religion...

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.

While it is most definitely not a religion... it is actually a belief system

it is a belief that gods/God do not exist... Simply because there is no evidence or proof of it

problem is, theres no proof gods/God don't exist either...

Thus Atheism is a belief system

Everyone has beliefs

I don't believe that monkeys are going to fly out of my butt and shower the world with glitter. Do you?

No?

Is that a belief system we share?

If so, then a "belief system" is such a broad term that it's essentially meaningless.

And that's ok by me.

It is simply a "rejection" there is no gods they don't beleave either way....To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.