14yo girl facing felony child porn charges, 10 years for selfie

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson

What you have more knowledge because you say you do?

I work with teenagers. What are you credentials and experience?

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson
I think you are full of sh** or your school is a cesspool that should be shut down.

I have been to 3 separate schools. Its the same in all of them.
Collegues in other schools say the same.

Not to mention the government funded training programs on the issue.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson

It is not common for kids to share nude pics of themselves.

So continuing in ignorance it is for you then?

Just because you keep saying its not common doesnt make it true.....it is common.

But you obviously have a set ridged view of the world.........

Like I said - reported cases make it about 1 in 8000 kids - hardly common. Just bad parenting leading to a significant minority of maladjusted children, just as in this case.

As I said in my above post, most incidents are not reported unless other factors are involved.

I dont agree with that by the way, i think all incidents should be reported so we can see how big the problem actually is.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

And just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's uncommon.

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson

What you have more knowledge because you say you do?

I work with teenagers. What are you credentials and experience?

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson
I think you are full of sh** or your school is a cesspool that should be shut down.

I have been to 3 separate schools. Its the same in all of them.
Collegues in other schools say the same.

Not to mention the government funded training programs on the issue.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson

It is not common for kids to share nude pics of themselves.

So continuing in ignorance it is for you then?

Just because you keep saying its not common doesnt make it true.....it is common.

But you obviously have a set ridged view of the world.........

Like I said - reported cases make it about 1 in 8000 kids - hardly common. Just bad parenting leading to a significant minority of maladjusted children, just as in this case.

As I said in my above post, most incidents are not reported unless other factors are involved.

I dont agree with that by the way, i think all incidents should be reported so we can see how big the problem actually is.

The vast majority of kids would not even dream of sending nude pics of themselves to other kids.
There is a problem with some kids - bad parenting (or no parenting) - but it is the significant minority.
Even sensationalist headline grabbers like the Daily Express can only cite 3500 cases over 4 years.

www.express.co.uk...

Even if it were 10 times more than that, which I read in one other study (flawed as it rolled out the results nationwide from just a few schools) it is still a massive minority of kids and not common.

a reply to: UKTruth

Why is it so hard to believe?

Many teenages are shagging around 14-16.

If they are having sexual contact then nude photos are hardly beyond imagination.

Again as for the statistics, that is reported cases. Most cases are not reported. Infact it states in the express "reported by police ". Schools dont tend to report to police unless other factors are involved.

a reply to: UKTruth

The vast majority of kids would not even dream of sending nude pics of themselves to other kids.

That's not what my kids told me when they were in school.

I only hope they never did it themselves. They said at the time they didn't.

TheRedneck

Umm, that's why snapchat made it so big in usage, but not in ads / stock price...

It's user base is mostly teens sending their boo's naughty nudes...

it's that or a means to talk about someone, something or ...

wake up, the sexy advertising and movies with sex themes in it haven't made kids prudes, that's for sure...

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined

Dont get me started on snap chat......

Easy solution. Make it illegal for anyone under 18 to own a mobile phone or allow them internet access.
Obviously too many parents not supervising their kids well enough or educating them on how the technology they use works.

Sounds extreme?
Probably, but history has shown the majority of people are stupid and need someone to tell them what to do. Especially kids.
And we're happy to step in and force such preventative measures with anything else deemed a risk to a childs welfare, so it's really no different.
Cannot play GTA games if you're a minor because harm. But you can own a internet capable device with a camera and socialize with millions of strange adults every day........ Yeah makes sense.
I honestly hate how easy access to technology is for kids these days and how unsupervised they are.

Just going to get worse from here on. Seriously if adults can be this stupid with taking selfies etc. How does anyone else expect a child to be more mature and sensible about it?

If it became mandatory that you had to pass a test on even basic knowledge of the online technology you use before you could use it. I reckon 95% of mankind would be banned from the internet over night.

Let your kids play online unsupervised, let em use a phone 24/7. There will be consequences. 2+2 = 4.

This girls not the first child, male or female to go through this. she is not going to be the last.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Theprodicalson

What you have more knowledge because you say you do? I think you are full of sh** or your school is a cesspool that should be shut down.

It is not common for kids to share nude pics of themselves.

There are about 8m kids in the UK at school. The reports of nude pics being sent are about 1,000 a year. That's 1 for every 8,000 kids. Not common. Just a few poor kids who have not been given any values by bad parents.

Just because people aren't reporting it every time, doesn't mean it's not common. Getting caught or reported for it might be rare, but what about all the ones that don't get caught? There are webcam sites all over the place where people set up private chats with that kind of stuff. It has nothing to do with bad parenting. Teenagers have very high hormones and sex drive, especially the guys, so they want that kind of stuff. If you honestly think that only 1 in 8000 teens shares pictures or has sex, you are very naive.

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
Easy solution. Make it illegal for anyone under 18 to own a mobile phone or allow them internet access.
Obviously too many parents not supervising their kids well enough or educating them on how the technology they use works.

No offense but that's the worst solution I've ever heard. The internet can be a great learning tool and not allowing them a phone? Sorry but most parents like their teenagers having phones so they can check in with them if they are not sure where they are. They should install parental controls on the phone if they are worried about them using web cam software.

Kids will find ways to get around it, regardless, and if they can't they will likely just go and have sex. If it were my child, I'd much rather have her send nudes to someone than actually have sex with them, but hey, let's pretend that teens aren't extremely hormonal and that none of us did similar things when we were that age.

What you are saying here is like thinking raising the age of drinking is going to prevent kids from doing it. It actually has the opposite effect because teenagers by nature are rebellious, and often go against what they are told not to do. Teenagers aren't kids, by the way, they are young adults. They do sexual things. This is nothing new. It wasn't 50 years ago, it isn't now. We just can share data much easier now, that's the only different. In the old days they didn't have technology so they tried to have sex, rather than just looking up porn or asking for nudie pictures.

originally posted by: Power_Semi
Young boy (14) in England sent naked pics by girl from school that he didn't want to be receiving.

Shows it to friend and says what do I do about this?

Police arrest him for distributing child pornography and want to charge him, meaning he'll go on sex offenders register, because the poor "victims" parents have found out and are angry.

The poor "victim" is merely the victim of her own stupidity, and quite why someone else should have to pay for that by having their life ruined is beyond me.

Grow one of those things, what do they call them - oh yeah, a brain.

What happened to the girl?

Let me guess, she will not get any punishment at all. She is the one that made and distributed the child pornography, not the boy.

Here's an idea - make it impossible for kids to send pornographic content. It can not be beyond the wit of man to develop an app that can not be switched off without a password that uses AI to scan a picture's content and block it's transmission should it detect an image unsuitable for sharing by a minor.

originally posted by: UKTruth
Here's an idea - make it impossible for kids to send pornographic content. It can not be beyond the wit of man to develop an app that can not be switched off without a password that uses AI to scan a picture's content and block it's transmission should it detect an image unsuitable for sharing by a minor.

And how would you stop teenagers having sex?

They will just go back to #ing in person.

originally posted by: Theprodicalson
And how would you stop teenagers having sex?

Chastity belts.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Theprodicalson
And how would you stop teenagers having sex?

Chastity belts.

With electric spikes tipped with acid.

That still wont stop all though.....many boys would see it as a challange.

a reply to: UKTruth

It can not be beyond the wit of man to develop an app that can ... detect an image unsuitable for sharing by a minor.

Yes it can. Apps cannot recognize what an object is, only if an area of the picture conforms to certain predetermined logical algorithms.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: UKTruth
Here's an idea - make it impossible for kids to send pornographic content. It can not be beyond the wit of man to develop an app that can not be switched off without a password that uses AI to scan a picture's content and block it's transmission should it detect an image unsuitable for sharing by a minor.

Parental controls do exist. Parents can install apps on the phone that limit camera / web cam activity, or monitor what their teens are doing on the phones. It's impossible to detect whether a certain image is pornographic in nature, but parents can definitely control their kid's phones, or simply require that they know their password to check up on them.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: dougie6665
a reply to: UKTruth

Kids, i.e. 12 - 24 do everything via electronic communication. They send all sorts of pictures around that are inappropriate. Most do not involve underage nudity, thankfully.

Correct. i.e it is not normal for kids to be sending nude pictures of themselves. Which is what I said.

But it is extremely common.

Yeah, that's why when it happens it makes national news.

It didn't make national news.

What made national news is that a teenager was charged with a felony for doing something one out of every twenty kids admits to doing, and for doing something to herself an only herself.

If you're going to argue for the sake of arguing, at least have some semblance of a rational argument.

a reply to: Shamrock6

pretty much agree with everything you said

and yeah it is pretty common these days.
do people really even need stats to believe it happens all the time?

a lot of kids are #ing by the time they are 14
a lot of girls wind up pregnant by 14

why is it a stretch to think that teens send out nude pics?

do people think those apps that delete the text after a few minutes or whatever are mostly being used to send pics of the tasty pizza they are getting ready to eat?
the nature of the app alone suggests its for dick pics and the like

i didnt need stats to believe that # but i checked anyway.

www.dosomething.org...

Nearly 40% of all teenagers have posted or sent sexually suggestive messages, but this practice is more common among boys than girls.

i would call nearly 40% common

24% of high-school age teens (ages 14 to 17) and 33% of college-age students (ages 18 to 24) have been involved in a form of nude sexting.

there is some legit naivete happening in this thread

hey you know what else is like super uncommon?
teenage drug use.

and the very tiny amount of kids that try or frequently use drugs can be directly connected to their parents having never given them rules and letting them run free.

i mean all parents know what all their kids do all the time


i feel i need to add that there should almost always be a gray area when it comes to the law and punishment.
there are of course absolutes

you raped someone? gtfo
youre a pedo? gtfo
the whole random murder thing? gtfo

a teen girl sending a nude to a boy though? we need some gray area on that one. we dont know anything about her or her parents

are her parents low lifes that take no interest? does she like to pass it around to the boys? then yeah maybe there should be some charges

or is she a good kid that thinks she is in love and did something stupid?
know what i mean

a reply to: Barcs

Yeah when we were kids we had this thing called a curfew. You stopped talking to your friends once you were home from school, or home for dinner until you saw them the next day.
We had enough respect back then of our parents, guardians and peers to inform them where we were. Parents had land lines, they could ring the other parents house and check we were there, or inform each other we were expected to be there.

If we weren't where we were supposed to be there were consequences, not idle threats. Now you cannot do anything because every do gooder and SJW... I mean social worker tells kids they have rights, don't have to obey or listen to authority and that disciplining your kids is abuse.

Also Kids were honestly, smarter back then. Access to technology and social media early in life has made them dumber I reckon. Sure kids will always be and do stupid to some level. But my friends and I and I would say 99% of kids back then would of told a person to sod off who asked to see their privates and told an adult. Not anymore.....

Sure the internet COULD be an awesome tool. But like everything good we come up with, someone always has to come along and ruin it, make it awful and turn it all to junk.

Guarantee if someone cured cancer and aids tomorrow. Someone else will find a way to use it to give people cancer and aids.
Internet is no different. For every person adding knowledge to the net, that is using it to advance mankind, there are a million people just adding stupid to it.

Kids need to learn real life and life skills before they take a step into the net.

We do not let kids (well sane adults anyways) have guns, do drugs, drink booze and engage in sex. Same with video games as I said.
I do not see how it is any different with the internet.

And as for safety settings, blockers and the like, sadly as I pointed out earlier, the majority of adults are stupid and have no idea how the tech works either.

If you're gonna let a 6 year old have a mobile phone so their parents know where they are, then you may as well give the kid a loaded gun too.
I mean if your kid is very young and you do not know where they are, have curfews in place and cannot teach them how to use things correctly, then honestly such people should not have kids to begin with.

Seriously is it really that hard or bad to keep kids away from the net until they are 18 (depending on where you live) like we do with alcohol and other things?

Maybe there is a compromise? Make it illegal until they're 18 (or 21) to access the real interwebz and make more child friendly devices available for the public. E.g tablets and phones that can only connect to the internet via a child safe hardcoded VPN's that are legal and can only access family friendly sites that automatically lock themselves from net access during certain hours.
Not exactly a lot of options out there, and as you state, the current methods we have like parental controls, any kid can quickly google up how to bypass them.

It's all broke like most things in modern society. Instead of shrugging and saying "oh well, it is what it is" we could make an actual effort to fix the damn problems. Especially when the fixes are so obviously easy.
But anythings these days that requires a little amount of effort is too hard these days.....

#slacktivism it's the way of the future.


I dunno, we're obviously not doing it the right way at the moment.