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The Hidden in Plain Sight Mars Conspiracy
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Ever since the US became aware of the phenomena of “flying saucers” in 1947 we have pondered the question of from where do they originate. The
public was slow to seriously contemplate that question. They assumed that they were one of the new types of jet airplanes. But the US Army Air Corp
wasn’t sure of anything. In fact, it was greatly concerned. They had a nation to protect. The first serious reports of these craft coming from
civilian and military personnel in 1947 triggered a swift action. The Army high command tasked their intelligence division the Army Technical
Intelligence Center (ATIC) to discern who was behind the elusive craft.
As the flying saucers continued making themselves notorious and after months of investigations, the ATIC decided that the flying saucers were alien craft. The top intel officers wrote that assessment into a report for the top brass. The report entitled The Estimate of the Situation went up the chain of command, but was ordered destroyed when it reached the top general, the Chief of Staff General Hoyt S. Vandenberg. He subsequently explained that a national defense policy couldn’t be based on conjecture that had no substantial proof. --Wars, even Cold Wars, or visits from alien craft are not handled that way unless the whole matter was best swept under the lumpy, government rug.
Whether a realistic decision based on iron-clad military doctrine or an official excuse to hide the truth, we are left to assume that nothing was ever done to prove or disprove the ATIC assessment. History has shown, however, that it was a declaration of a war on the phenomena using the only possible defensive weapon in the war chest of the great republic, denial. The mysterious craft, friend or foe, became non-existent to the United States government. Officially, the strange, aerial phenomena became labeled with a fitting, non-descriptive name: Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs).
It was a perfect response that conveyed nothing of substance in the term. As a result of the (apparent) lack of official interest, the public and media had no guidelines on how to perceive the phenomena, had no reason to panic or even be much aroused, and the situation has remained that way for over half a century. The hidden fear of aliens shrank to become a safe joke about “little green men.” Despite volumes of sighting evidence and tangential evidence to the contrary (all ignored or denied by official policy) no officially sanctioned study seems to ever have been done to discover where the UFOs came from and/or who operated them.
********************************************************************************
For those of us that accept UFOs as a legitimate something, we still wonder where the damned things come from. As bizarre at it may seem to those uninformed, some UFO beings have communicated with abductees over the years and perhaps unwittingly have helped toward finding an answer to that basic question. Not that the UFO folk were trying to help as much as they were supporting their own myth by hindering us from determining their place of origination.
Details of many abduction accounts clearly indicate that the ETs are engaged in a Standard Operating Procedure that is followed time and time again. Given that the abductors are always of the greys type and follow a systematic regimen, we can safely assume that the same group of entities is telling us different bits of disinformation from one time to the next by design. In that way the ETs succeed in perpetuating their own myth, “from everywhere and nowhere,” yet, they unwittingly gave us clues in that deceit.
Is there is a reason behind telling us these different origins? Otherwise, why lie? They may have at least two reasons. First, the abductee crews on the job (maybe only one crew?) are actually poorly equipped in resources and personnel. They hide logistic shortcomings with self-serving and seemingly innocent falsehoods when they actually come from only one almost insignificant place and, to the contrary, are not the vanguard of a vast, space-travelling armada exploring the galaxy for fun and profit. In that regard, hiding their home place would be a wise, ploy of self-protection. No quantum computer required.
Second, if we knew that their home was actually close at hand, eventually some portion of our world could possibly take rash, unwise actions and do serious harm to a fragile and perhaps crucial relationship.
Can they come from a point that is not so far out of earth’s reach? Suppose they are true ETs, but not the advanced star travelers as we tend to imagine (and are told by them)? Suppose Mars really is the home of the greys and their flying saucers?
The response tends to be: “Well, yeah, ETs originate from somewhere, but…Mars?” Are you kidding?
Indeed, why Mars? Better yet, why not Mars? First and foremost, it is close. Second, if you stop to consider, it fits several of the parameters we are looking for with our attempts to find earth-type planets around distant stars. Yes, it is considered a spent planet, but one time it was something else, something entirely different. And perhaps so different that our own sciences really don't want to elaborate too much on how full of life Mars once contained. Such talk would be indicative.
The evidence for Mars being the home of the UFO beings is piecemeal, by deductive reasoning of indicative data. Unfortunately, beyond the mere suggestion I've made, a full inquiry can’t be done decently in this limited space either, but a brief compilation of associative information can be put forth weight to that proposal.
(Continued to the next email)
As the flying saucers continued making themselves notorious and after months of investigations, the ATIC decided that the flying saucers were alien craft. The top intel officers wrote that assessment into a report for the top brass. The report entitled The Estimate of the Situation went up the chain of command, but was ordered destroyed when it reached the top general, the Chief of Staff General Hoyt S. Vandenberg. He subsequently explained that a national defense policy couldn’t be based on conjecture that had no substantial proof. --Wars, even Cold Wars, or visits from alien craft are not handled that way unless the whole matter was best swept under the lumpy, government rug.
Whether a realistic decision based on iron-clad military doctrine or an official excuse to hide the truth, we are left to assume that nothing was ever done to prove or disprove the ATIC assessment. History has shown, however, that it was a declaration of a war on the phenomena using the only possible defensive weapon in the war chest of the great republic, denial. The mysterious craft, friend or foe, became non-existent to the United States government. Officially, the strange, aerial phenomena became labeled with a fitting, non-descriptive name: Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs).
It was a perfect response that conveyed nothing of substance in the term. As a result of the (apparent) lack of official interest, the public and media had no guidelines on how to perceive the phenomena, had no reason to panic or even be much aroused, and the situation has remained that way for over half a century. The hidden fear of aliens shrank to become a safe joke about “little green men.” Despite volumes of sighting evidence and tangential evidence to the contrary (all ignored or denied by official policy) no officially sanctioned study seems to ever have been done to discover where the UFOs came from and/or who operated them.
********************************************************************************
For those of us that accept UFOs as a legitimate something, we still wonder where the damned things come from. As bizarre at it may seem to those uninformed, some UFO beings have communicated with abductees over the years and perhaps unwittingly have helped toward finding an answer to that basic question. Not that the UFO folk were trying to help as much as they were supporting their own myth by hindering us from determining their place of origination.
Details of many abduction accounts clearly indicate that the ETs are engaged in a Standard Operating Procedure that is followed time and time again. Given that the abductors are always of the greys type and follow a systematic regimen, we can safely assume that the same group of entities is telling us different bits of disinformation from one time to the next by design. In that way the ETs succeed in perpetuating their own myth, “from everywhere and nowhere,” yet, they unwittingly gave us clues in that deceit.
Is there is a reason behind telling us these different origins? Otherwise, why lie? They may have at least two reasons. First, the abductee crews on the job (maybe only one crew?) are actually poorly equipped in resources and personnel. They hide logistic shortcomings with self-serving and seemingly innocent falsehoods when they actually come from only one almost insignificant place and, to the contrary, are not the vanguard of a vast, space-travelling armada exploring the galaxy for fun and profit. In that regard, hiding their home place would be a wise, ploy of self-protection. No quantum computer required.
Second, if we knew that their home was actually close at hand, eventually some portion of our world could possibly take rash, unwise actions and do serious harm to a fragile and perhaps crucial relationship.
Can they come from a point that is not so far out of earth’s reach? Suppose they are true ETs, but not the advanced star travelers as we tend to imagine (and are told by them)? Suppose Mars really is the home of the greys and their flying saucers?
The response tends to be: “Well, yeah, ETs originate from somewhere, but…Mars?” Are you kidding?
Indeed, why Mars? Better yet, why not Mars? First and foremost, it is close. Second, if you stop to consider, it fits several of the parameters we are looking for with our attempts to find earth-type planets around distant stars. Yes, it is considered a spent planet, but one time it was something else, something entirely different. And perhaps so different that our own sciences really don't want to elaborate too much on how full of life Mars once contained. Such talk would be indicative.
The evidence for Mars being the home of the UFO beings is piecemeal, by deductive reasoning of indicative data. Unfortunately, beyond the mere suggestion I've made, a full inquiry can’t be done decently in this limited space either, but a brief compilation of associative information can be put forth weight to that proposal.
(Continued to the next email)
a reply to: Aliensun
The Hidden In Plain Sight Mars Conspiracy (part 2)
Where in the entire universe we know is it most likely and logical by pure scientific determination to find another place that harbors life or did support life in the past? What are the fantastic odds that scientists keep telling us that must co-inside with other fantastic odds to allow life on a planet? For starters, we need a nice G-type of sun like our own, a “goldilocks” region, around that sun and a planetary body within a certain size and composition within that area which will decently allow life. Water would be a prerequisite.
Under such criteria and other requirements various efforts are engaged in looking out at the deep heavens. An earlier search found 30 stars within a distance of 100 light years that seem equivalent to Sol. Whether they harbor planets of any type is unknown. A 100 light years volume around our position is a very large and sparse neighborhood in which to look for possible life-supporting suns. It is sparser still to expect “living” planets around any of them. The Kepler satellite is at this moment amassing a catalog of possible host suns. We search into the distance with a diligence and a certain amount of blindness because we suffer from our own, imposed lie.
How ironic. Mars is what we seek distantly around other suns yet is beneath consideration as it is virtually beneath our gaze. Is that not exactly the situation we have been taught to view the UFO? The public and military report millions of sighting over the decades but officially their existence is denied even as we urgently look "out there" for exactly the same things—signs of intelligence. Maybe the fact that we are directed and caused to gaze and listen and even fantasize beyond our own system with the likes of Hubble, Kepler and SETI programs has not been an accident. True those efforts also serves as a useful tools for growing of our cosmic view (which MUST eventually come) but should we not seriously and patiently look at the UFO phenomena and examine its very aspect with finality to finally be able to say, “Nope. Not alien craft. Now, let’s send up the Hubble, Kepler unit and get our search for ET life going in earnest.” But we do just the opposite.
Did you ever wonder about the logic of sending recorded messages and plaques out on probes, such as the two Pioneers and Voyager? Were they honestly and wishfully intended to be intercepted by ETs at some distant place and future time? Those efforts were intended as more of a public relations stunt. We give ourselves a pat on the back for our space prowess, to garner public support for NASA’s programs and to open a sleepy public's eyes. Educational they were to be sure, but we may wonder if the real reason for those missions was to have us look further afield, taking our minds off of our promising neighbor while the US and the Soviets were still firing probe after probe directly there to learn its secrets.
The US has had great success from 21 Mars mission attempts since 1962, 6 failures and one partial success.(Two of the more recent “failures” are considered suspect by some.) On the other hand, during the same span, the Soviets/Russians have had not one success out of 19 missions, only four extremely limited successes. It bears pointing out another connection between two widely different series of events that have a common thread. These would be the prevalence of abduction cases that apparently happen chiefly in the United States and the lack of the Soviet/Russian ability to plant their equipment on Mars. The disastrous record of the Russian attempts did not go unnoticed in JPL and NASA. They joked that a “Mars Monster” was seeing to it that the hammer and sickle crowd would not succeed with a single mission. That was self-evident. To whom the mysterious “monster” owed alliance seems clear.
In the basic data of deep space missions we find a most curious and insightful situation in looking at probes launched to Mars and Venus by the Soviets and the United States during that aspect of the space race. The Soviets fired off 29 missions toward Venus over the years from 1964-1972. They achieved only 10 successes, about a third of their attempts. The Soviets were trying hard to get landings and then to get their craft to survive once they landed. They failed to harden their landers well enough to survive on the brutally hot planet and they continually failed to have a single, fully successful mission. If a probe landed at all on Venus, it shortly melted.
On the other hand, the basic launch data clearly shows that the United States hardly seemed to bother with Venus. In truth, the missions were all flybys, never was a probe sent to land and get serious. There were only six rocket launches toward Venus, one of which failed, but the data from the flyby was conclusive enough. Venus was hot. If you were a government sending out probes to find the likely home of the UFO within our solar system, than Venus could be quickly crossed from your list of possibilities, joining the other inhospitable planets. Let the Soviets have the twin efforts of chasing and Mars. We concentrated on Mars. It needs mentioning that every bit of Russian data from their deep space efforts came (by agreement) first through NASA’s gigantic “Big Ear Horn” antenna in California before it was fed by land line to Russia. We knew exactly what their probes were doing even before they did.
Our scientific knowledge and thinking about Mars has come a long way from the days not too long ago when it was considered a sterile, dead planet. The shocking discovery of huge amounts of water therein mandated new thinking about the existence of the red planet. Not many decades before that discovery, water was considered rare in the universe. It was called the elixir of life, a requirement for life anywhere.
The evidence of water having flowed in extreme manners across the Mars eventually required a complete rethink of the abundance and likelihood of that resource. Much of science had to reprogram itself to that very basic truth that was revealed despite what they expected. That remarkable admission that Mars, indeed, did show vast evidences of water had more to do with science overcoming an old and false scientific superstition rather than the lack of indicative data. Many observers in the public arena stood slack-jawed, wondering why it took so long for science to recognize and admit to the truth of water on Mars. The problem, as with the legitimacy of UFOs themselves, wasn’t a lack of evidence but due to a collective mindset. As with the recognition of UFOs, it was a problem for science but not the so much for the layman.
(Continued to next email)
The Hidden In Plain Sight Mars Conspiracy (part 2)
Where in the entire universe we know is it most likely and logical by pure scientific determination to find another place that harbors life or did support life in the past? What are the fantastic odds that scientists keep telling us that must co-inside with other fantastic odds to allow life on a planet? For starters, we need a nice G-type of sun like our own, a “goldilocks” region, around that sun and a planetary body within a certain size and composition within that area which will decently allow life. Water would be a prerequisite.
Under such criteria and other requirements various efforts are engaged in looking out at the deep heavens. An earlier search found 30 stars within a distance of 100 light years that seem equivalent to Sol. Whether they harbor planets of any type is unknown. A 100 light years volume around our position is a very large and sparse neighborhood in which to look for possible life-supporting suns. It is sparser still to expect “living” planets around any of them. The Kepler satellite is at this moment amassing a catalog of possible host suns. We search into the distance with a diligence and a certain amount of blindness because we suffer from our own, imposed lie.
How ironic. Mars is what we seek distantly around other suns yet is beneath consideration as it is virtually beneath our gaze. Is that not exactly the situation we have been taught to view the UFO? The public and military report millions of sighting over the decades but officially their existence is denied even as we urgently look "out there" for exactly the same things—signs of intelligence. Maybe the fact that we are directed and caused to gaze and listen and even fantasize beyond our own system with the likes of Hubble, Kepler and SETI programs has not been an accident. True those efforts also serves as a useful tools for growing of our cosmic view (which MUST eventually come) but should we not seriously and patiently look at the UFO phenomena and examine its very aspect with finality to finally be able to say, “Nope. Not alien craft. Now, let’s send up the Hubble, Kepler unit and get our search for ET life going in earnest.” But we do just the opposite.
Did you ever wonder about the logic of sending recorded messages and plaques out on probes, such as the two Pioneers and Voyager? Were they honestly and wishfully intended to be intercepted by ETs at some distant place and future time? Those efforts were intended as more of a public relations stunt. We give ourselves a pat on the back for our space prowess, to garner public support for NASA’s programs and to open a sleepy public's eyes. Educational they were to be sure, but we may wonder if the real reason for those missions was to have us look further afield, taking our minds off of our promising neighbor while the US and the Soviets were still firing probe after probe directly there to learn its secrets.
The US has had great success from 21 Mars mission attempts since 1962, 6 failures and one partial success.(Two of the more recent “failures” are considered suspect by some.) On the other hand, during the same span, the Soviets/Russians have had not one success out of 19 missions, only four extremely limited successes. It bears pointing out another connection between two widely different series of events that have a common thread. These would be the prevalence of abduction cases that apparently happen chiefly in the United States and the lack of the Soviet/Russian ability to plant their equipment on Mars. The disastrous record of the Russian attempts did not go unnoticed in JPL and NASA. They joked that a “Mars Monster” was seeing to it that the hammer and sickle crowd would not succeed with a single mission. That was self-evident. To whom the mysterious “monster” owed alliance seems clear.
In the basic data of deep space missions we find a most curious and insightful situation in looking at probes launched to Mars and Venus by the Soviets and the United States during that aspect of the space race. The Soviets fired off 29 missions toward Venus over the years from 1964-1972. They achieved only 10 successes, about a third of their attempts. The Soviets were trying hard to get landings and then to get their craft to survive once they landed. They failed to harden their landers well enough to survive on the brutally hot planet and they continually failed to have a single, fully successful mission. If a probe landed at all on Venus, it shortly melted.
On the other hand, the basic launch data clearly shows that the United States hardly seemed to bother with Venus. In truth, the missions were all flybys, never was a probe sent to land and get serious. There were only six rocket launches toward Venus, one of which failed, but the data from the flyby was conclusive enough. Venus was hot. If you were a government sending out probes to find the likely home of the UFO within our solar system, than Venus could be quickly crossed from your list of possibilities, joining the other inhospitable planets. Let the Soviets have the twin efforts of chasing and Mars. We concentrated on Mars. It needs mentioning that every bit of Russian data from their deep space efforts came (by agreement) first through NASA’s gigantic “Big Ear Horn” antenna in California before it was fed by land line to Russia. We knew exactly what their probes were doing even before they did.
Our scientific knowledge and thinking about Mars has come a long way from the days not too long ago when it was considered a sterile, dead planet. The shocking discovery of huge amounts of water therein mandated new thinking about the existence of the red planet. Not many decades before that discovery, water was considered rare in the universe. It was called the elixir of life, a requirement for life anywhere.
The evidence of water having flowed in extreme manners across the Mars eventually required a complete rethink of the abundance and likelihood of that resource. Much of science had to reprogram itself to that very basic truth that was revealed despite what they expected. That remarkable admission that Mars, indeed, did show vast evidences of water had more to do with science overcoming an old and false scientific superstition rather than the lack of indicative data. Many observers in the public arena stood slack-jawed, wondering why it took so long for science to recognize and admit to the truth of water on Mars. The problem, as with the legitimacy of UFOs themselves, wasn’t a lack of evidence but due to a collective mindset. As with the recognition of UFOs, it was a problem for science but not the so much for the layman.
(Continued to next email)
This is very interesting and will enjoy finishing the read, but, the government was aware long before '47. Roswell was when we became aware.
We know how good our intel services and government are at deception my take on this is if they tell you to look at mars it probably should be venus we
are looking at...
What baffles me is, why the secrecy on the part of the aliens? If they are so advanced why do they need to do their deeds covertly? Why not just come
hover over everywhere and be like: yup. Here we are?
And abduct 20000000 people right there.
That's the part that sits uneasily for me but and makes me feel secrecy is essential to the process, which leads me to wonder if it isn't secret programs after all.
I want to believe though.
And abduct 20000000 people right there.
That's the part that sits uneasily for me but and makes me feel secrecy is essential to the process, which leads me to wonder if it isn't secret programs after all.
I want to believe though.
a reply to: Aliensun
The Hidden In Plain Sight Mars Conspiracy (part 3x)
The finding of large amounts of water on Mars was tantamount to finding the home of the UFO or at least, it was a blazed trail. If water was the elixir of life on earth, then so it would hold that Mars with water meant life was there or had been. Aha! So that explains the reluctance over the acceptance of Martian water. That simple but incredibly worrisome deduction was a drastic step forward in revising how we would handle our approach to Mars. Discussions and plans of manned missions and even colonization keep appearing in the media and from think tanks. The way now seemed open. Even industry is heading there. Forget the Moon! The problem is, according to conventional knowledge, we don’t have a reasonable means to reach Mars in any fashion until a few more years on. (Unless we wisely factor in that the secrets of the UFOs' manner of propulsion have been worked out and that we actually may have secret bases there already.)
We know that the planet is not teeming with any sort of life comparable to Earth. If intelligent life remains, long ago it has sought cover under the surface of the devastated planet or in the hollow interiors of its small moons, especially Phobos. To suggest that they inhabit the small satellite means, of course, that they have achieved some level of space travel.
What to do with yourselves if your planet has been devastated and there is no hope of ever reclaiming it and you have the means to travel to another vibrant-with-life planet (that you may have even encouraged in a by-gone era)? You go there. It is relatively modernized. Below, they have split the atom. (Are you, the alien, present as a refugee, sage observer, over seerer, partner or creator?) Don’t try to simplify the situation into a mere “friend” or “foe” discussion. It is a far more complicated situation than you can imagine.
END
Notes:.
Otto Struve, Russian-American astronomer who headed the first American search for intelligent life via radio telescope was reported to have made a very sage and strikingly humble statement for a scientist in my estimation: “…I believe that Science has reached the point where it is necessary to take into account the actions of intelligent beings, in addition to the classical laws of physics.” (Statement of 1955.) By that time the UFOs were well established in human myth and reality.
Maria Rivera’s Martians
She is a Puerto Rican and lived for a time with family in Puerto Rico near the giant radio telescope facility in Arecibo. The family underwent several UFO experiences. One of them involved the abduction of Maria. She underwent the typical “medical exam.” She wrote of the experience, “I remember calling them ‘marcianos’ (Martians), they revealed telepathically, in Spanish that they don’t like being called Martians, but preferred to be called creatures….” (Article entitled UFO/Alien Encounters in Aguada, Puerto Rico, printed in UFOINFO.
In the way she phrased their response, I find it easy to accept her telling of the interchange between them because she gave no real indication that she had just learned, if obliquely, their secret. Were they lying as their usual tactic, or did her question slip under their veil to a revelation?
Happy Holidays and may the Disclosure be with you!
The Hidden In Plain Sight Mars Conspiracy (part 3x)
The finding of large amounts of water on Mars was tantamount to finding the home of the UFO or at least, it was a blazed trail. If water was the elixir of life on earth, then so it would hold that Mars with water meant life was there or had been. Aha! So that explains the reluctance over the acceptance of Martian water. That simple but incredibly worrisome deduction was a drastic step forward in revising how we would handle our approach to Mars. Discussions and plans of manned missions and even colonization keep appearing in the media and from think tanks. The way now seemed open. Even industry is heading there. Forget the Moon! The problem is, according to conventional knowledge, we don’t have a reasonable means to reach Mars in any fashion until a few more years on. (Unless we wisely factor in that the secrets of the UFOs' manner of propulsion have been worked out and that we actually may have secret bases there already.)
We know that the planet is not teeming with any sort of life comparable to Earth. If intelligent life remains, long ago it has sought cover under the surface of the devastated planet or in the hollow interiors of its small moons, especially Phobos. To suggest that they inhabit the small satellite means, of course, that they have achieved some level of space travel.
What to do with yourselves if your planet has been devastated and there is no hope of ever reclaiming it and you have the means to travel to another vibrant-with-life planet (that you may have even encouraged in a by-gone era)? You go there. It is relatively modernized. Below, they have split the atom. (Are you, the alien, present as a refugee, sage observer, over seerer, partner or creator?) Don’t try to simplify the situation into a mere “friend” or “foe” discussion. It is a far more complicated situation than you can imagine.
END
Notes:.
Otto Struve, Russian-American astronomer who headed the first American search for intelligent life via radio telescope was reported to have made a very sage and strikingly humble statement for a scientist in my estimation: “…I believe that Science has reached the point where it is necessary to take into account the actions of intelligent beings, in addition to the classical laws of physics.” (Statement of 1955.) By that time the UFOs were well established in human myth and reality.
Maria Rivera’s Martians
She is a Puerto Rican and lived for a time with family in Puerto Rico near the giant radio telescope facility in Arecibo. The family underwent several UFO experiences. One of them involved the abduction of Maria. She underwent the typical “medical exam.” She wrote of the experience, “I remember calling them ‘marcianos’ (Martians), they revealed telepathically, in Spanish that they don’t like being called Martians, but preferred to be called creatures….” (Article entitled UFO/Alien Encounters in Aguada, Puerto Rico, printed in UFOINFO.
In the way she phrased their response, I find it easy to accept her telling of the interchange between them because she gave no real indication that she had just learned, if obliquely, their secret. Were they lying as their usual tactic, or did her question slip under their veil to a revelation?
Happy Holidays and may the Disclosure be with you!
a reply to: Aliensun
Thats why they are dispatching probes to every single space body in the solar system. Not to 'look for life' as claimed, they already know the rest of the solar system is lifeless. They are looking for evidence of alien visitation.
It would be standard for 'space ships' to enter our solar system by decelerating and orbiting around outer moons or asteroids first; form bases, then get closer with smaller craft as reports indicate. Since its believed that smaller craft don't have interstellar capability, there must be forward bases on a moon or asteroid somewhere, out there.
(inserts Twilight Zone theme)
Where in the entire universe we know is it most likely and logical by pure scientific determination to find another place that harbors life or did support life in the past?
Thats why they are dispatching probes to every single space body in the solar system. Not to 'look for life' as claimed, they already know the rest of the solar system is lifeless. They are looking for evidence of alien visitation.
It would be standard for 'space ships' to enter our solar system by decelerating and orbiting around outer moons or asteroids first; form bases, then get closer with smaller craft as reports indicate. Since its believed that smaller craft don't have interstellar capability, there must be forward bases on a moon or asteroid somewhere, out there.
(inserts Twilight Zone theme)
We have certainly seen a lot of UFO news this last couple weeks of December 2017. And if this is only the tip of the iceberg, then things are looking
promising indeed. It sure took long enough. But with enough activity, they can scarcely keep it hidden when examples are happening all over.
a reply to: Aliensun
I think you are correct with the hidden in plain sight theory, thing is it's right here on Planet earth that more fits the bill. A US friend who once worked the radars told me "I can't tell you anything, it's more than my life's worth, what I can see say is they aren't from up there, they are from down here." Whether that's on Earth's surface or below our feet it does play on the mind. From my own experiences these things don't literaaly zoom off to the sky, they literally vanish and appear just the same, a sort of fade in like you'd do an old super 8m film camera. Mars is probably home to them too as we just can't see them that much, but when they do want you to see them then it's fade in time.
I think you are correct with the hidden in plain sight theory, thing is it's right here on Planet earth that more fits the bill. A US friend who once worked the radars told me "I can't tell you anything, it's more than my life's worth, what I can see say is they aren't from up there, they are from down here." Whether that's on Earth's surface or below our feet it does play on the mind. From my own experiences these things don't literaaly zoom off to the sky, they literally vanish and appear just the same, a sort of fade in like you'd do an old super 8m film camera. Mars is probably home to them too as we just can't see them that much, but when they do want you to see them then it's fade in time.
great thread s&f i myself believe there are various ET races based on some of the planetary moons of our solar system (ours included), and
mars. we probably have covert bases similarly placed ourselves and likely work alongside some alien races. all secret of course. it's a
co-operative deceit, as far as our own disclosure status is concerned.
a reply to: Aliensun
First there has to be life out there somewhere it's a numbers thing but I don't think any is close enough to visit, second we think water is essential for life but water doesn't mean life has to be present.
Anyway we have a few members on here that make outrageous claims with NO evidence to back it up and one or two have had a chance but have excuses why they can't didn't.
I mean one member one here claims regular visits to his house out in the wilderness yet when I challenge him to video/photograph one of these visits I was told they would know if he did it and not come back.
Then we have the friend who knows something and can't tell etc etc we already have a post like that I see they same old same old when it comes to this subject.
Anyway if you want nice images of Mars here you go.
HiRise
First there has to be life out there somewhere it's a numbers thing but I don't think any is close enough to visit, second we think water is essential for life but water doesn't mean life has to be present.
Anyway we have a few members on here that make outrageous claims with NO evidence to back it up and one or two have had a chance but have excuses why they can't didn't.
I mean one member one here claims regular visits to his house out in the wilderness yet when I challenge him to video/photograph one of these visits I was told they would know if he did it and not come back.
Then we have the friend who knows something and can't tell etc etc we already have a post like that I see they same old same old when it comes to this subject.
Anyway if you want nice images of Mars here you go.
HiRise
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no just no
they come from other dimensions, it solve a lot of problems like the distance issue and the variety of reported beings issue
they come from other dimensions, it solve a lot of problems like the distance issue and the variety of reported beings issue
a reply to: hombero
You assume as do most people that the US government isn't working with the ETs. There is absolutely no reason to believe that simply because they deny and seemingly ignore the existence of the UFOs. --All part of the conspiracy to protect us--so they would say, and gain valuable info if not technology before other nations get involved. There are some reports that Eisenhower met with them. So why not? We communicate with North Korea even now despite what the media and Washington tells us.
You assume as do most people that the US government isn't working with the ETs. There is absolutely no reason to believe that simply because they deny and seemingly ignore the existence of the UFOs. --All part of the conspiracy to protect us--so they would say, and gain valuable info if not technology before other nations get involved. There are some reports that Eisenhower met with them. So why not? We communicate with North Korea even now despite what the media and Washington tells us.
originally posted by: humanoidlord
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they come from other dimensions, it solve a lot of problems like the distance issue and the variety of reported beings issue
Maybe, but no reason to jump to extremes. Consider, if we are from this dimension then other beings in this solar system or on the other side of the galaxy or Universe for that matter; have a possibility of being in this physical existence with us. Which is most likely? A shared Universe with other beings, or alternatives that may or may not exist that if they do, have no clearcut way to transfer between them.
As far as travel goes, Mars isn't that far away.
I think you assume too much. Nasa is not exploring space looking for ETs. They are looking first for viable, profit making materials and THEN looking
for places man could inhabit, even though they really have to go hand in hand. That's why they gave up on Venus because the logistics of man's
survival on that planet was 0 and that's why they ARE looking at Mars.
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