Those Pentagon UFO Vids Have Shown Us A Few Realities.

UFO's are not cloaked ( well maybe not all the time )

We haven't " Back Engineered " ET propulsion technology. If we had we they could have been caught up with.

ET craft can invade a countries airspace at will.

There are probably other factors we may have learnt, so please add if you can think of any.

a reply to: alldaylong

Links to said videos would be helpful.

What makes you think they are Extra-Terrestrial in origin and not our own?

Look at the advances in metamaterials with regards to invisibility/cloaking technologies over the last decade alone and i think you may find that we are indeed on the verge of being able to effectively cloak our military hardware from the visible light spectrum.

As to the other factors of concern, considering our lack of understanding and unequivocal proof of contact or alien existence, said factors are numerous to say the least.

a reply to: andy06shake

If you think they are of " Earthly Origin " then The U.S. ( and others ) are going to have a big problem when it comes to " war in the air "

a reply to: alldaylong

And yet America and her allies reign supreme with regards to air warfare.

Why is that?

Where do you imagine the likes of the B2 and stealth fighter had their origins?

All very human technologies at play there going back to the second world war.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: alldaylong

And yet America and her allies reign supreme with regards to air warfare.

Why is that?

You tell me.

If The U.S. Pentagon don't know what those things were, then you have a problem you don't realise.

a reply to: alldaylong

Its called a black budget for a reason buddy.

Transparency is not exactly a something that's happening no matter what Congress or the Pentagon have to say.

a reply to: alldaylong

I guess you have not understood that the continental US seems to be the fly over ground for most triangles. Why is that?
I guess you have not read an account about a triangle witnessed near Ft. Hood, Texas where the observer was able to see through his rifle scope a marked "RESCUE" door on the front of the craft?

I guess you have not read my thread "Black Triangles: The Worst Kept Secret" where I detailed the triangle moving slow, low and absolutely quietly over Laramie in 1998 in front of about 20 of us UFO buffs standing outside talking after a session that night of the last Rocky Mountain UFO Conference. (Were that aliens or some domestic flyboys wanting to get us all excited?)

You amply display what is usually wrong with threads like this that pop up, issue opinions like commands without foundation. It is okay to come ignorant, but be prepared to shuck old opinions and believes. You may not always get a load of actual facts, but an alternative viewpoint may soften your evidently hard and fast beliefs of what is and is not possible.

a reply to: andy06shake

Its called a black budget for a reason buddy.

That don't wash.

If these were " Black Budget Aircraft " then :-

Why are The Pentagon realising material about aircraft that they already know what they are. Yes Black Budget would seem to be a secret programme, but those video realises would still have to be cleared.

So much for a " Black Budget " when it's put on show for all to see.

a reply to: alldaylong

This thread had really good theories on what is going on:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: alldaylong

"So much for a " Black Budget " when it's put on show for all to see."

Sigh, its what "They" are not showing you that's the issue.

You look this way and see what "they" want you to whilst "they" go the other and remain in the shadow.

Simple misdirection really but highly effective shenanigans.

Edit: Should probably add links to these videos as it will add context and help us understand exactly what you are on about.

If The U.S. Pentagon don't know what those things were, then you have a problem you don't realise.

This is why the misdirection and apparent denial works. Some people think that they would tell us the truth.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: alldaylong

Links to said videos would be helpful.

What makes you think they are Extra-Terrestrial in origin and not our own?

Look at the advances in metamaterials with regards to invisibility/cloaking technologies over the last decade alone and i think you may find that we are indeed on the verge of being able to effectively cloak our military hardware from the visible light spectrum.

As to the other factors of concern, considering our lack of understanding and unequivocal proof of contact or alien existence, said factors are numerous to say the least.

Agree on the links and threads with absolutely no content such as this are a waste of space on ATS imo.

However, in regard to your first point, if you've researched the subject for long enough, you begin to find that the videos just released are nothing to the thousands of other reported incidents across the globe with stretch as far back as the early 1900's and even further. And if the accounts from those are correct and they can't all be wrong, then we are dealing with a reported phenomenon of what appears to be nuts and bolts craft that have been performing the same seemingly unbelievable maneuvers for at least the last 100 years, if not more. You can't tell me that a country such as the U.S. has had that tech for that long, there's just no way.

Not saying ET, just saying what it most certainly isn't

a reply to: andy06shake

I will leave you with this quote.

"These aircraft -- we'll call them aircraft -- are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of," Elizondo said of objects they researched. He said the program sought to identify what had been seen, either through tools or eyewitness reports, and then "ascertain and determine if that information is a potential threat to national security." "We found a lot," Elizondo said. The former Pentagon official said they identified "anomalous" aircraft that were "seemingly defying the laws of aerodynamics." "Things that don't have any obvious flight services, any obvious forms of propulsion, and maneuvering in ways that include extreme maneuverability beyond, I would submit, the healthy G-forces of a human or anything biological," Elizondo said.

edition.cnn.com...

a reply to: andy06shake

A documentary I once saw which I cannot find at this current time indicated that such tech wasn't far off. They discussed a few different methods for invisibility cloaking, but only one at the time might be somewhat practical for military application if they really made progress on it. An issue they had was that one wouldn't be able to see out from within the cloaking tech for the same reason one couldn't see in. Still, with other navigation techniques that already exist, I don't see that being a huge problem.

Most likely "on the verge" to us means "already have it" to them. I bet they are using this tech secretly already.

Back to relevance of the thread itself... If theae UFOs are indeed ET, which I personally doubt, then perhaps they do have invisibility cloaking and just choose not to use it. Why should they?

originally posted by: alldaylong
UFO's are not cloaked ( well maybe not all the time )

We haven't " Back Engineered " ET propulsion technology. If we had we they could have been caught up with.

ET craft can invade a countries airspace at will.

There are probably other factors we may have learnt, so please add if you can think of any.

Hey.. all those conclusions could be wrong if what we are seeing are us from the future
in some kind of time traveling device, who could say we would not developed it in the future.. million years time.
Perhaps even back engineered from ET crafts, or in cooperation with a friendly alien race we meet in the future.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Agreed, and one possible scenario to account for such would be some form of breakaway civilization.

Said scenario carries with it a multitude of problems through but is far more plausible than some of the other suggestions doing the rounds.

a reply to: alldaylong

It's a bit of a leap going from UFO to ET space craft don't you think , the Pentagon UFO video is similar to many youtube videos in that it's short and doesn't really show anything.

I'll admit I've only watched it twice but was thoroughly unimpressed both times.

a reply to: alldaylong

More of a paragraph than a quote really.

Keep in mind that any sufficiently advanced technologies would be beyond our ability to comprehend just down to the nature of the maneuvers and flight characteristics concerned, but that does not mean the objects or technology behind the operation of such are from another planet or star system.

a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

"Back to relevance of the thread itself... If theae UFOs are indeed ET, which I personally doubt, then perhaps they do have invisibility cloaking and just choose not to use it. Why should they?"

Why cloak at all really? if indeed you have the technologies to survive the rigors of interstellar flight and have mastered control over the very fabric of space-time nothing we Humans have including our primitive atomics would even manage to put a dent in whatever material these things are made of.

a reply to: alldaylong

If The U.S. Pentagon don't know what those things were, then you have a problem you don't realise.

If the videos in question really showed UfO's they never would have been released. As is, we can't identify what appears in the video as anything but blurry blobs, either.