I totally misunderstood Jesus' words because of language conflicts of time and translation.

originally posted by: Revolution9


I was always confused by something Christ aid about the end times. It is recorded in three of the four Gospels apart from John. Here is Matthew's account:

"Matthew 24: 34-35; 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Jesus ends his whole description of the end times with this summary. It is obvious to us that all these things did not happen during his own generation's time.

That generation is 7,000 years in duration.

Jesus came in the half-time. So from the time of Jesus to the end is 3,500 years.

Already 2,000 years have gone, and there's still 1,500 years to go before all things are fulfilled.

originally posted by: Raggedyman


You call it doom porn where I see it as the great release from doom, death and destruction
My understanding is that we live, well most people live in a sick twisted horrible world

So you see the end as doom, I see it as the end of doom

You see the end of the world as the end of evil. That is some dangerous idea there man. You look at the world as a place where evil riegns.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You see the end of the world as the end of evil. That is some dangerous idea there man. You look at the world as a place where evil riegns.

That depends on what you think is evil.

The Buddhists don't call it evil, they call it pain and suffering.

To live on earth, man has to slaughter the animals, and eat their flesh.

Men also slaughter each other, in competition for the scarce resources of the physical world.

Whether you call it good or evil, to slaughter life to maintain life, nobody would deny this is all pain and suffering.

We see the Lion on the savanna chasing down the deer, and catching the kid and ripping it apart.

It's good that the Lion got a meal. But, the deer lost it's life, and had an agonizing end.

So good involves pain an suffering. Then we don't even need a concept of evil, to see that the world is one unhappy place for many creatures.

The thing is, the happy creatures need those unhappy creatures around, to maintain their state of joy.

So again, all is pain and suffering.

If you remove all the deer etc.., the Lion will starve to death.

What happens to the human Lions when the Sheep are all "raptured" ?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

The idea of "non-conceptual awareness" would certainly be an explanation for all the random explanations of Biblical stories, etc. Just not something I personally find satisfactory.

a reply to: Justso

Is 'non conceptual awareness' an idea?

I would say 'concepts' are ideas and 'non conceptual' is not an idea.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Well first off rapture isn’t a real thing, so I don’t know why you are including that in possible things that could happen. Second, Life goes on, As it always has.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Seriously, danger?
How and why?
So you think this world is a great place?
You are obviously one of the wealthy few, that will end

Evil does reign, sorry, that's a fact

a reply to: Revolution9

That is why God says his words are pure words tried 7 times and they would be preserved unto every generation for ever Psalm 12:6, 7.

You just need to find the Bible preserved in English for this current English Speaking Generation. There is only one out of the nearly 400 English Bibles that have been printed since 1880's.

The Authorized Version is that preserved text in English. Just read it, study it, and believe it.

a reply to: Woodcarver

2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

You just confirmed scriptures to be true.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Woodcarver

2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

You just confirmed scriptures to be true.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I’m not opposed to the idea of morals or treating people decently. I can do all of that without believing in magic jesus guy and his fairy god land.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

Seriously, danger?
How and why?
So you think this world is a great place?
You are obviously one of the wealthy few, that will end

Evil does reign, sorry, that's a fact

You think i must be wealthy to be happy? Maybe i just accept that the world is a dangerous place. It’s not full of evil. Life just feeds on life. I accept that, because i accept reality. I don’t expect superman to save me. I don’t expect the gov or the cops to save me. I don’t pray for favors and i don’t expect divine intervention, so i’m never disapointed. If a lion eats me, i accept that #. And just maybe i eat him.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

Seriously, danger?
How and why?
So you think this world is a great place?
You are obviously one of the wealthy few, that will end

Evil does reign, sorry, that's a fact

You think i must be wealthy to be happy? Maybe i just accept that the world is a dangerous place. It’s not full of evil. Life just feeds on life. I accept that, because i accept reality. I don’t expect superman to save me. I don’t expect the gov or the cops to save me. I don’t pray for favors and i don’t expect divine intervention, so i’m never disapointed. If a lion eats me, i accept that #. And just maybe i eat him.

Well I am glad for you, but its not all about you superman
Thats the big american hero, standing by acting tough while the rest of the world is sucked dry by the leech of your consumerism
You live in a cotton wool bubble compared to most other people, then mnoan how tough you are

As if a lion could eat you, seriously, what get lost in a zoo

a reply to: Woodcarver

Either a little too much liberal tea sipping I see or a whole lot of TV mirroring being reflected in your posts.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Either a little too much liberal tea sipping I see or a whole lot of TV mirroring being reflected in your posts.

The worst part of talking to you two is your inability to form arguments and the meaningless accusations that dribble off of your keyboards. Some how i’m a liberal tea drinker? I guess you’re calling me a liberal because you think it hurts my feels? It’s a meaningless label from a person who can’t distinguish reality from your own passing whimsy. Your own mind is so full of black and white dichotomy, anyone who disagrees with you must belong to the team that you see as the main opposition to yours.

You two both invent your own stories and then get mad when i point out that you believe whole heartedly in things that have no basis in reality.

When you can explain your own beliefs in a way that does not contradict reality, i’ll have a little respect for you. Until then, i’ll just continue to point out when you say stupid things.

a reply to: Woodcarver

your mind is a gray mush that can't think for himself and thereby Mirrors TV and MSM talking points as absolute truth.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Woodcarver

your mind is a gray mush that can't think for himself and thereby Mirrors TV and MSM talking points as absolute truth.

You can’t prove your silly claims or justify your beliefs. I have been asking you for the same thing for years now, and since you can’t deliver, you just sling the dumbest insults. My brain is mush. Lol. Your mom.

My brain is just fine. I just finished a huge project on time and under budget.

a reply to: Revolution9
Like many words used in the bible, "generation" (or the related Hebrew and Greek words) has multiple meanings and applications. They also often have a broader meaning or definition like the word "god" is applied to heavenly beings such as angels as well as human representatives of God like Israel's judges or Moses. Probably the broadest definition for the related Hebrew and Greek words for "god(s)" is "mighty one(s)". The context is always the most important to determin the correct meaning. So let's have a closer look at "generation" with that in mind.

Generation: Insight, Volume 1

A generation commonly refers to all persons who were born about the same time. (Ex 1:6; Mt 11:16) Associated with this is the meaning “contemporaries.” At Genesis 6:9 it is stated concerning Noah: “He proved himself faultless among his contemporaries [literally, generations].” When used with reference to family relationships, a generation can refer to a group of descendants, as sons and daughters or grandsons and granddaughters.—Job 42:16.

The term can be used as a measure of time with reference to past or future ages. The generations of mankind descended from the sinner Adam have been transitory, as contrasted with the earth, which abides forever. (Ec 1:4; Ps 104:5) But the expressions “unnumbered generations” and “a thousand generations” refer to that which is to time indefinite. (1Ch 16:15; Isa 51:8) The command to the Jews that the celebration of the Passover was to be observed “throughout your generations” denoted continual performance to a time then indefinite. (Ex 12:14) God stated to Moses that Jehovah was his name as a memorial “to time indefinite,” “to generation after generation,” which implies forever. (Ex 3:15) The apostle Paul tells us that God is to be given glory “to all generations forever and ever.”—Eph 3:21.

A generation may mean a class of persons, that is, those characterized by certain qualities or conditions. The Bible speaks of “the generation of the righteous one” (Ps 14:5; 24:6; 112:2) and “a generation crooked and twisted,” “a generation of perverseness.” (De 32:5, 20; Pr 30:11-14) Jesus Christ, when on earth, spoke similarly of the people of the Jewish nation of that day, and the apostle Paul applied such terms to the world of his day in general, which was alienated from God.—Mt 12:39; 16:4; 17:17; Mr 8:38; Php 2:14, 15. [whereislogic: this is the meaning the OP puts forward as a suggestion for Matthew 24:34. Let's have a closer look at the context.]

Matthew 24:33 says:

Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.

So "this generation" in verse 34 is referring to the contemporary generation of those who see the signs or "all these things" described in verses 4-31.

“This Generation” of Christ’s Prophecies. When Bible prophecy speaks of “this generation,” it is necessary to consider the context to determine what generation is meant. Jesus Christ, when denouncing the Jewish religious leaders, concluded by saying: “Truly I say to you, All these things will come upon this generation.” History recounts that about 37 years later (in 70 C.E.) that contemporary generation personally experienced the destruction of Jerusalem, as foretold.—Mt 23:36.

Later that same day, Jesus again used practically the same words, saying: “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” (Mt 24:34) In this instance, Jesus was answering a question regarding the desolation of Jerusalem and its temple as well as regarding the sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things. So his comment about “this generation” logically had an application down to 70 C.E. However, he was also using the word “generation” with reference to humans whose lives would in some way be associated with the foretold events during his presence.—Mt 24.

Here's one of those signs discussed earlier in the chapter that one can look out for, verse 14:

And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.


Regarding the bolded parts of Mt 24:14: