New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Willtell

I think they want to build a machine that alters the metrics of the vacuum (time space) i.e. metric engineering. all in an attempt to replicate what they believe the "ufos" are doing.

These ideas are based on the work of the Mexican physicist Dr Miguel Alcubierre. He invented the idea of manipulating ('warping') the space-time metric to travel faster than the speed of light. His work was tested in the laboratory on a microscopic scale by NASA’s Dr Harold ‘Sonny’ White.

The 'space-time metric' means the way space-time is shaped, as defined by the path that a free-falling object would take and the rate at which the clocks of such an object would run. According to Einstein, a mass like Earth warps the space-time metric such that free falling objects accelerate towards Earth and even their clock rates are changed while doing this. In other words: Einstein redefined gravity as the shape of space-time itself. The only way we know we can manipulate this shape is by huge amounts of energy or mass (mass is equivalent to energy as expressed in Einstein's famous equation Energy = mass times c squared, c being the speed of light).

Here is the inventor of the 'warp drive' himself, interviewed by Michio Kaku:


Here is a short explanation by MIT how his idea basically works and how complicated its realization would be:


And here is an in-depth lecture by Dr White on the topic, start at 9:44


All of this work is unrelated to UFO’s and based on contemporary physics (Einstein's theory of General Relativity).
However, manipulating the space-time metric is the same as manipulating the gravitational field, and most scientists who studied UFO’s think they somehow manipulate gravity so a possible link to UFO propulsion is easily made.

a reply to: Guest101

whites ideas also use the term metric engineering along with many other theorists, which is why I mentioned ttsa was using a vague term and pretending that they have invented something new that the world hasn't heard of or is lifting the veil on classified govt lingo.

also of note metric engineering is a catch all phrase for altering the metrics of the vacuum of space. it can mean warping of space, altering time gradients, changing Electromagnetic permittivity and permeability to increase the value of Constant or altering inertial properties. it's not limited terminology wise to just warping time space and often is not used to imply that.


you have made a good point by showing one of the most popular ideas on space warp drives even use this term. and years before ttsa ever brought it to our attention.

I believe however that when ttsa is using the term they are talking about putthoffs ideas of polarizing the vacuum via his stochastic electro dynamics theory. makes sense since putthoff is their scientific advisor and chair.

problem with putthoff goes beyond his scientific theory but also to the fact that he's always found wherever spook central happens to be when regarding this subject thus making his association with ttsa suspect.

although albcubierre's idea is cool it also has major problems on the power supply side of things and is very unfeasible. he also didn't invent warp drive or come up with the term. thats been around for a long time. he came up with a way one could warp space that doesn't violate known laws of physics or resort to inventing "new" physics to accomplish this task. what he hasn't done is present a way to create all this negative energy or engineer a machine to do this. producing all that to make his idea feasible is still a sci-fi dream and currently unknown. however, some are all to happy to let the public fawn over alcubierres ideas and give him the spotlight. it's a good decoy and takes the attention away from how they are really making those things do all them funky right angle turns, instant accelerations, jumps and wacky maneuvers.

truth of the matter is the devices don't work by creating anti gravity they create anti inertia. different although outwardly similar. but very different. they aren't warping space per se. their ideas revolve around thwarting Mach's principle. and by metrically engineering the magnetic and electrical permittivity and permeability of the vacuum using other methods than putthoff proposes. research guys like Einstein, vonn neumann, mach etc.

but this being ats you are in luck. search the archives as there are lots of little blurbs hidden in them by folks who used to post here that did know how the govt accomplished what they did with these devices people mistake for "ufos." also do searches for threads where Ning Li is mentioned. she figured out a piece of the puzzle. iirc BigFatFurryTexan had done a lot of research into this topic. and Zorgon might have sat on some fascinating info too. there was a poster no longer here who gave the best hints but I'll hold his name in reserve since he still works currently in that field.

I've been looking into some issues relating to Bigelow/AATIP/DeLonge etc during the last few months.

Some of the facts behind relevant claims are, well, pretty amusing. (Okay, I'm aware that I have an odd sense of humour...)

With some hesitation about adding to the number of relevant threads, to set out the relevant information in full I may need to start another thread. It will take me a while to write up my notes and get to the bottom of some of the issues.

On a related note, do we have any chemists with experience of mass spectrometry in this thread (or on ATS)? Any pointers towards a relevant member or two would be welcome before I start contacting people outside ATS.

originally posted by: IsaacKoi
I've been looking into some issues relating to Bigelow/AATIP/DeLonge etc during the last few months.

Some of the facts behind relevant claims are, well, pretty amusing. (Okay, I'm aware that I have an odd sense of humour...)

With some hesitation about adding to the number of relevant threads, to set out the relevant information in full I may need to start another thread. It will take me a while to write up my notes and get to the bottom of some of the issues.

On a related note, do we have any chemists with experience of mass spectrometry in this thread (or on ATS)? Any pointers towards a relevant member or two would be welcome before I start contacting people outside ATS.

I look forward to the thread.

You wouldn’t happen to be looking for a chemist for additional analysis of the Patient Seventeen test results would you?

Just a guess.

Thanks again for your continued contributions.

Slante’

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
You wouldn’t happen to be looking for a chemist for additional analysis of the Patient Seventeen test results would you?

Just a guess.

Yep, among other (related) results and claims by "experts".

I've seen the thread on ATS on Steven Colbern, but the issues go rather deeper and wider than that. I've found it pretty amusing...

Issac Koi's excellent detective work gets a much deserved shout-out from Wired Magazine.

What Is Up With Those Pentagon UFO Videos?

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Evening Isaac,

I always say there are never enough threads about Tom DeLonge and To the Stars Academy here on ATS.

However the problem is trying to keep up with them all. I didn't particularly follow the analysis of the two video releases because I knew others were doing so. It also seems that WIRED could find no evidence that these videos were classified let alone declassified by the DoD.

So it would be good if you brought all the loose ends together into one thread we could concentrate on together for once.

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
I look forward to the thread.

Hi Paddyofurntiure,

The thread will take a while to write since I want to dot my i's and cross my t's on this one (even more than I usually want to do...).

However, since you are probably (if you don't mind me saying so) the most enthusiastic defender I've seen of certain relevant people and their claims, I wonder if I could send you some of the evidence I've dug up to see if you think it is an exaggeration to say that it completely blows their credibility out of the water?

I don't want to overstate things.

(I could impose on MirageMan or TheGut, but I think they probably don't give some of the relevant people much credibility already and I'd prefer a bit more of a challenge...).

“ I wonder if I could send you some of the evidence I've dug up to see if you think it is an exaggeration to say that it completely blows their credibility out of the water?”


IssacKoi,

I’d be honored to assist in any way I can.

- Paddyofurniture

a reply to: IsaacKoi

personally I'm eager to see what you dug up debunking their claims. I've been fairly scathing of ttsa et al and I have no doubt that what you found has cast further skepticism on their claims.

I can't wait either! The big guns are out....

I hope ATS does have someone who can figure out those lab results (from the Patient 17 implant saga - isotopic analysis leaves me feeling stupid, I have to be honest - way over my head). I'm sure Isaac Koi will find someone willing to make some sense of it. Someone more reliable than Dr Lier's material scientist.

'The Videos' were leaked before AATIP were formed, one of the TTSA was supposedly from the aforementioned, yet he resigned AFTER it finished in 2012...much confusion. Or maybe it's just me.

Either way, it's interesting. Go Isaac!! And cheers for the heads-up Paddyofurniture.

George Knapp of Las Vegas 8 has an exclusive interview with Luis Elizondo of To The Stars Academy (TTSA) tonight at 11:00 PM PST to discuss pieces of an alien UFO that the United States Government supposedly handed over to Bigelow Aerospace Corporation in 2009, as stated in a NY Times article.

ufoseekers.com...

a reply to: TheMadScientist2

The link in that article takes me to 'blank page' when I click on the link to ITeam. The video can be seen here www.lasvegasnow.com...

In my humble opinion, and my opinion is of course never humble, all this stuff, warp drives, space-time continuum is UFOlogical and scientific fraud…!


All this crap about “we can take ET home, is a bunch of BS.

Reminds me of children in Appalachia or Harlem playing Lebron James and Stephen Curry in some backyard

a reply to: Willtell

It's not open for opinions anymore.

Warp drive is a fact and science is getting closer to develop it. Just wait and you'll see.

a reply to: vinifalou

Warp drive is a fact and science is getting closer to develop it.

Can you explain? How can something that hasn't been developed yet be a fact?

a reply to: TheMadScientist2

Some interesting words in that link:

To The Stars Academy is a book and media production corporation founded by Blink 182 band member Tom DeLonge. DeLonge, the CEO of To The Stars Academy, is famous for a 2017 interview in which he claimed that the United States Government recovered an alien body during the Cold War.

Department of Defense also stated, they did not authorize the release of the Gimbal UFO Video.

Disclosure Movement advocates claim the government study was interested in seeking “alien” UFOs. That claim has been shown to be false.

This story is slowly getting diluted as the days pass. The fundraising looks incapable of raising it's target. Mainstream media are no longer paying much, if any, attention. DeLonge has gone into virtual hibernation.

Is Elizondo now defacto leader of this project and George Knapp the chosen mouthpiece?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: vinifalou

Warp drive is a fact and science is getting closer to develop it.

Can you explain? How can something that hasn't been developed yet be a fact?

It's fact that it's possible. Just like 6G and 7G technology.

We know we'll get there.

a reply to: vinifalou

Do you have a source as proof of concept for it?

I think in the future possibilities are unlimited once humankind settles the problem with his own soul,

Here, I’m afraid I agree with Steven Greer regarding the unlimited potential of human beings when they get a grip on their moral, spiritual and ethical nature,

Then you can maybe become a warped drive yourself

Right now humans are morally and spiritually warped