New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

a reply to: spleenika

No, it was their opening presentation to all potential investors, including anyone on Earth with an internet connection and $200 to spare. No doubt, if you watched it, you saw that doctored yet unattributed photo, as they lingered on it and made it full screen during Chris Mellon's talk, and assumed it was related. It was the only UFO shown, and held for the description of the event. Of course we were to assume it's related.

So, again, the only "rule" I'd expect them to follow (in fact their own stated claim), is a modicum of honesty and transparency. We were foolish to expect this from a guy like Delonge, and more so to expect it from the CIA or any other inherently secretive/deceptive government body.

Now, have you seen the equally dubious footage they've finally co-opted the release of?
Without appealing to authority, have you attempted to reconcile the glaring (pun) issues with the GIMBAL vid?

a reply to: AboveBoard

Back in October, I did a search on Tom's name to see what websites were talking about him. It really seemed the only people with polite words were professional journalists reviewing his book and whatnot.

But all the UFOlogy people with websites seemed not to like him and TTSA at all. They did seem jealous. Territorial even. Like the new kid showed up on the block and broke into their club uninvited.

In fairness ATS big names seem to be more reserved in judgement for now. Except the debunk everything crowd.

a reply to: Iridomyrmex
Frankly I don't assume as much about the video as you do. You seem to know what the object is and assume your own authority on the topic. Are you looking at an object covered in lit plasma? A drone? A missile? How do you claim to know what are artifacts and what are genuine optical features, if you don't even know what it is you are looking at?

If this accomplishes one thing and the only thing it accomplishes is to remove the program of ridicule applied to this subject for so long then I think this would be a great start

22 million dollars? thats not even a drop in the bucket.
they have been siphoning trillions upon trillions into black ops.
this video and news release dosent even come close to
touching the tip of the ice burg. throw us a bone? they have not even
thrown us a grain of sand.

a reply to: autopat51

I'm pretty sure the pentagon has spent more money on a tank of gas for a truck then that number.

The story about the threat program doesn't make sense in a few ways besides the dollar amount. Also the fact the program ended years ago, but somehow the guy running it, Luis Elizondo, only retired from running that program 4 months ago. I think with them getting into black budget stuff, they are for sure lying about the amount spent in this public acknowledgement.

a reply to: spleenika
to me this is nothing, a non story.
this should insult the intelligence of every free thinking person.
they have given us nothing and made a big deal about it.
want to impress me? tell me whats going on in the rings of Saturn.
tell me what you have built with the missing trillions.

a reply to: Iridomyrmex
I'm also a little curious about your claims to want an honest debate and evaluation, while already presupposing the footage to be dubious, guffawing at your pun of what you have already decided is a flaw with the footage "glaring". I don't think you sir, are being intellectually honest, while you at the same time throw that insult at the presenters of the live broadcast.

Why would you expect people to want to discuss this with you, when you have already displayed your mind is already decided. From the guy who not many posts ago complained about the foolish bias confirmation of those who might disagree with you. You have been nothing but biased since you sauntered into this thread to mock those you openly think your intellectual lesser.

a reply to: autopat51

I'm not sure they set out on this to impress you. I would ask what you want from them, but you were nice enough to tell me already. However I remain curious what you think of the detail, that they claim to have recovered a strange metal alloy from a UAP, that is warehoused by Robert Bigelow, of Bigelow Aerospace, in Nevada.

Does that get an eye raise from you at all? Tom has been claiming they are going to public display this alloy for some time, and it was actually talked about with some detail in the New York Times article.

a reply to: spleenika
to be impressed by this, would assume that they are on the same
timeline as we are...they are not.
they are far beyond us, the average person.

a reply to: autopat51

The Astr0 stuff?

a reply to: spleenika
not sure what you mean..but
we are far more advanced than we are led to believe.
thus the missing trillions, money buys tech.

a reply to: autopat51
This might be right up your alley. I don't expect you to believe this or not, but I suspect you might enjoy reading this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: bluemooone2
a reply to: Jesushere

I have been wondering that also. What does he have? Could be the Billy Meier's metal , could be roswell stuff.....

They've got a wide variety of samples associated with reported UFO incidents and going back to the late 1940s. People have been approached by associates of Bigelow and some went to him in the first place. He's bought documents and materials pertaining to abductees/experiencers and UFO sighting reporters going back at least a couple of decades.

Vallee's in the mix too. His 1998 paper presented analyses of reportedly exotic materials Physical Analyses in Ten Cases of Unexplained Aerial Objects with Material Samples. These are some of the collection they're referring to. It gets more complicated from there because nothing, so far, appears to have come from off-world. It's all in the isotopes and the materials tested so far have the same isotopic fingerprints as anything created on Earth or the same processes that formed Earth.

The narrative accompanying the origins of the materials is apparently what makes them so interesting. For example, a pile of molten iron slag was reportedly belched out from a malfunctioning disc-shaped object onto frozen ground. Another sample was some high-purity magnesium. Both of which could be manufactured here, but the magnesium's purity was quite exotic by industry standards and the iron slag was found miles from any foundries. I'm only relating what I've read and not arguing veracity.

Vallee has been associated with the Stanford guys (SRI) and has a longstanding relationship with Bigelow and his team. The same people are part of TDL's group. Individuals in this group were also involved in Skinwalker Ranch which is like testing the bathwater with an elbow if you catch my drift. It was a little *hot* for some people and left others cold.

They have an idea these materials could have been manufactured to have the isotopic fingerprints of Earth. Let that sink in...

a reply to: spleenika

Lit plasma? What?

Look at this thread:
www.metabunk.org...

There are examples of FLIR video that show similar artifacts caused by the hot jet exhaust "blowing out" the image around the aircraft, causing a halo just as in the GIMBAL vid. On the TTS/AAS website it is stated that they suspect this may be an "resonance field" around the object?

If a halo is commonly caused by FLIR image artifacts while filming ordinary, terrestrial aircraft, then it would be highly illogical to attribute said halo effect to such a speculative concept as a "Possible energy or resonance field of unknown nature" which "encapsulates" the craft.

Do you not see the unnecessary leap of logic there?

Also, every "rotation" of the craft can be seen to occur simultaneously with a shaking of the camera body, as well as a slight change in aspect ratio of the background clouds. Is it more likely that this is an effect of the rotation/adjustment of a camera element in relation to the angle of IR light coming off the object and background clouds (as demonstrated as an image artifact in other conventional FLIR vids), or that some object is breaking all known laws of physics and aerodynamics and possibly moving in a "vacuum environment"?


*Remember, this project is headed by guys who supposedly disclosed to Delonge that all ancient god myths were true.


Edit to add: I just saw your other post about your offense at my mocking tone. I apologize if I've offended you, I'm sorry. However, I don't apologize for ridiculing what I see as a blind acceptance of celebrity and/or military authority, when footage as dubious and problematic as this has been put forward as proof of Unidentified Aerial Threats - and further implied to be of alien origin.

a reply to: spleenika
looks like something i would like,thank you.

a reply to: Iridomyrmex

Ad hominem fallacy in every post you make man. Also black or white fallacy. I really can't believe you asked me not to make the appeal to authority fallacy preemptively earlier while you spew all this at me. I have no further interest in speaking with you, you decided you were correct before you even heard alternative possibilities.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Could have isotopes apparently steming from earth because the metal IS from earth?

a reply to: spleenika

Well alright then, good luck to you!

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Kandinsky

Could have isotopes apparently steming from earth because the metal IS from earth?

It's Gordian knotty, isn't it?

Reminds me of looking for a needle in a haystack with the caveat that the needle might be disguised as a piece of hay lol. Or the haystack is made entirely of needles.