Who wrote the book of Revelation

a reply to: chr0naut

So he was also pissed off at the church too. It doesn't stop the parallels to the Roman Empire in the book of Revelation being true. It's definitely a more believable story than that god decided to visit some old exiled hermit and tell him how the world is going to end thousands of years after he died.

You'd think if god were going to tell a human how the world would end, he'd at least provide an expiration date. Well I think at least. Seeing as how the vague # in the BoR has caused countless amounts of strife and pettiness over the last 2 thousand years, it seems like god should have realized this and given the date of expiry to make sure there isn't any confusion.

Hell, if we are going to explore the supernatural for answers to the origin of this story, I'd say it is more likely that the devil gave him this information to deceive Christians, because dammit if the vagueness hasn't caused countless amounts of sinning and hostility. If I were the devil and god had given this information out I'd be pleasantly pleased with god at doing my work for him after all the wars, executions, and horrors Christians have done in the name of God because they thought BoR was imminent.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: chr0naut

So he was also pissed off at the church too. It doesn't stop the parallels to the Roman Empire in the book of Revelation being true. It's definitely a more believable story than that god decided to visit some old exiled hermit and tell him how the world is going to end thousands of years after he died.

You'd think if god were going to tell a human how the world would end, he'd at least provide an expiration date. Well I think at least. Seeing as how the vague # in the BoR has caused countless amounts of strife and pettiness over the last 2 thousand years, it seems like god should have realized this and given the date of expiry to make sure there isn't any confusion.

Hell, if we are going to explore the supernatural for answers to the origin of this story, I'd say it is more likely that the devil gave him this information to deceive Christians, because dammit if the vagueness hasn't caused countless amounts of sinning and hostility. If I were the devil and god had given this information out I'd be pleasantly pleased with god at doing my work for him after all the wars, executions, and horrors Christians have done in the name of God because they thought BoR was imminent.

The majority of the prophecies of The Revelation of Jesus Christ have actually already occurred, under the reign of Nero and within a few years of the writing of the work.

Of the seven churches, the church at Ephesus does not exist and quite specifically for the reasons stated in the prophecy.

Revelation prophecy covers a swathe of history from the time it was written, up until the end of the world. As such some has not yet occurred, some has.

Revelation was not about a single event, at the far end of time. Neither are the prophecies of Daniel, which have similarities.

The book also includes signs by which one may recognize immanent prophecies but these are normally ignored or reinterpreted as not literal by those wanting to fit the prophecies to either their time or some immanent event.

The prophecies also relate to some events not in the physical world which we will not see but which give explanation to events that we will see. These events 'in heaven' clearly do not follow a human timeline (events that happened at the Creation are used to explain the reasons for events that happen at the end of the world) and could be considered entirely atemporal.

There are encoded sequential dates within Revelation but there is also believed to be an indeterminate period prior to their activation when there will be no Jewish state and this is called the "time of the Gentiles".

As of 1947, there is a Jewish state again and so the sequence may already have begun.

a reply to: chr0naut

There are also prophecies that are physically impossible and will never happen. The world being united under the anti-christ being one of them. If the age of Trump has taught us anything its that it is impossible to get 100% of humans to agree on a leader. The "666 tattoo" has to be liberally interpreted to be technology or an id card to make it relevant.

So we’re just going to pretend the OP didn’t claim he was playing cards w the devil and a demon? Like it’s a factual thing?

I swear I’m living in upside down land

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It was so absurd that I just ignored it and moved onto a more realistic topic.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: chr0naut

There are also prophecies that are physically impossible and will never happen. The world being united under the anti-christ being one of them. If the age of Trump has taught us anything its that it is impossible to get 100% of humans to agree on a leader. The "666 tattoo" has to be liberally interpreted to be technology or an id card to make it relevant.

It doesn't say the whole world will be united under the Anti-Christ.

It clearly says that 1/3 of the world will follow the Anti-Christ and that the Anti-Christian dominion will wage war against the other 2/3rds.

The battle of Armageddon has at least two opposing armies. At Armageddon, those armies make a pact to combine against Jerusalem. If one army was from the Anti-Christ, where did the other one come from?

Of course, if you'd actually read Revelation in entirety, you'd probably know that.

The mark of the Beast (not necessarily 666) is a sign embedded in the forehead or the hand and that allows people to buy and sell. It could be an RFID tag or similar Near Field Communications identifier. There have been suggestions that this could be achieved with an injection system similar to tattooing where microscopic devices are placed under the skin. A similar system of a clear paint with microdots containing a registered number are currently used for identification of stolen property.

One possibility is that the mark is similar to the scar that the Beast has and identifies the bearer as a valid member of a community, thereby enabling commerce, but I doubt that it would be well accepted.

a reply to: chr0naut

I have read it entirely. In fact, it's one of the few books in the Bible I read since it seemed so exciting when I was a Christian. It's just been awhile. Now, as an atheist/agnostic, there are better fiction stories for me to read about the end of the world that are FAR more exciting. Like Lucifer's Hammer or The Stand.

It clearly says that 1/3 of the world will follow the Anti-Christ and that the Anti-Christian dominion will wage war against the other 2/3rds.

It does?

Revelation 13:5 - 8
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

Sir Isaac Newton was a lot closer to the original sources than we are in the modern world. He claimed the bible contained secret mathematical codes which may be true. Even a casual skim reading of the book of revelations will leave you wondering why the number seven is used so frequently.

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Historically, spectroscopy dates back to Newton’s discovery in 1666 – white light coming from the sun dispersed by a prism to seven colour.

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Could this be the original inspiration for the author of Revelations? In any event there is a remarkable interest in the mathematics in Revelations. Artistic works from Botticelli to Hitlers bombers have incorporated math from the book of Revelations.

a reply to: DpatC

First, I have no idea why you would think evil would tell you any truth.

Second, the book is evil, because it was stolen from the Hebrews and forged by evil people. This is one reason why people are still arguing and debating over forged literature still today. I have read the Hebrew Book of Revelation, and it is nothing like the book we have in the bible with all these hidden meanings and secret codes. The Hebrew book wouldn't create all this hype and unending arguments. It is a peaceful calm righteous book. Not a corrupt forged story.

The early Christians did not write any book of the New Testament. They were all forged. The two or three that have real scripture in them, were still edited by evil hands. There are no completely authentic books in the NT.

a reply to: Cauliflower

No. Numerology is bunk. It always has been. Newton also believed in alchemy. Do yo think it is possible to turn lead into gold just because he believed it too?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
So we’re just going to pretend the OP didn’t claim he was playing cards w the devil and a demon? Like it’s a factual thing?

I swear I’m living in upside down land

No i actually was playing Tarot with both those Angels. Which reminds me Revelation 1:1-3

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."

As an alternative, a Wildcard Is it possible to consider that The Book of Revelation was either written or co-written by An Angel?
Yes I said An Angel a being of Light How is that even possible, a Angel a being of Light.

Just throwing it out there.

a reply to: DpatC

There's still a difference between angels of God and fallen angels. The ones you have chosen to play with are fallen angels, which do not represent God any longer.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh the Irony!
Newton and Hawking both high priests of Cambridge.

a reply to: DpatC

As an alternative, a Wildcard Is it possible to consider that The Book of Revelation was either written or co-written by An Angel? Yes I said An Angel a being of Light How is that even possible, a Angel a being of Light.

It is believed by the JW's that it is a possibility. The JW's believe Jesus was an angel and if He were indeed an angel then Revelation could have been given to John by the angel Jesus. But even at that it was the human man named John who actually penned the Revelation.

originally posted by: chr0naut

It doesn't say the whole world will be united under the Anti-Christ. It clearly says that 1/3 of the world will follow the Anti-Christ and that the Anti-Christian dominion will wage war against the other 2/3rds.

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The book of Revelation says nothing about "The Anti-christ" , nor no do any of letters of John who was the only one who wrote of "antichrists".. which means in place of the anointing.Some(many) Christians have conflated very clear and plain writing to fit their religious agenda beliefs.

a reply to: Rex282

So says the person who has told us many times that you don't understand anything written in the book of Revelation, which you have made perfectly clear in all of your other responses.

Well it was supposedly Jesus, but in history, the Bible was made an editted by the Roman Church, 300 years later after Christ said existence. Odd thing is events like the burning of some great library in Greece, the Fall of Judah an it temple by ancient greeks, the rise of christainity, the events that happened in Rome which is depicted in prophecy an end times by some today.

Revelations does emphasize on Babylon alot, which may have been one the earliest cities and says what was, which is, and what yet to come of Babylon may repeat itself.

I'm pretty sure revelations talks of a certain space weapon.
And it was Nostradamus who talked about some anti Christ.

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh the Irony!
Newton and Hawking both high priests of Cambridge.

I'm really not sure what your joke is here or what point you are trying to make. What does Hawking have to do with this conversation?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Newton also believed in alchemy.

Given the rarity of gold and the prevalence of lead and volcanoes it makes no sense for Newton to be a *proponent* for alchemy. Perhaps Newton found camaraderie with alchemists, and knew big science would profit from the misguided dream of turning lead to gold in a stygian furnace?

Lots of other examples of this throughout history.
The Michelson Morley experiment to determine the direction of the ether wind for example.

Here's a handy primer. Basically it might have been written by one John of Patmos, who seems to have been smoking something.