How do Christians justify their taking the mark of the beast already?

originally posted by: spy66
I guess there are many opinions on how this will play out. There is no doubt that we are being groomed to serve the beast system through our education and by our jobs. Even christians let their children serve this system because right now there is no harm by doing it. But it is our children who will impliment and enforce new laws and serve this system in the future.

It is our future generation who will enforce these evil laws onto us. They wont understand the seriousness of what they are a part of because they are being educated to have a specific view of how things should be. There is already a conflict between beleiver and non beleivers. In the future non beleeigvers will be in majority and our democracy will be our own doom.

This implies starvation, exposure and death for those who do not worship the beast.
They cannot buy food, obtain shelter, clothing or receive medical help.
The false political and religious system wields tight economic control over those whom it dominates.
No one is exempt from this harsh economic repression.
In Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 Yahweh says that there are those claiming to be Jews, but are not Jews, and are liars.
They are the church of Satan, the synagogue of Satan and are worshippers and followers of him.
And what are they doing today?
Conquering the world for the Antichrist to rule from Jerusalem.

The beast is nothing more than human government under demonic control it has always been with us, and it can be seen at work throughout the ages.

It is the behavior of the person that indicates where the person’s allegiance is.

a reply to: Malevotronic

Only if you ignore every other box that needs checking on the list...

I feel there is no prophecy to be fulfilled here. Some interesting information on 666, and the Number of the Beast. I may be wrong but iirc many Christians of the period believed Nero to be an (or the) Antichrist. I don't believe Revelation was written for modern times. Especially considering how many people believed the end times and second coming were right around the corner, just like they do now. Except then, they had Jesus telling half of them they would live to see it with their own eyes.. Nero is long since dead now. So the texts get reinterpreted.

Preterist theologians typically support the numerical interpretation that 666 is the equivalent of the name and title, Nero Caesar (Roman Emperor from 54-68).[20][21][22][23][24][25] (whose name, written in Aramaic, can be valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerology of gematria), a manner of speaking against the emperor without the Roman authorities knowing. Also "Nero Caesar" in the Hebrew alphabet is נרון קסר NRON QSR, which when used as numbers represent 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add to 666.

The Greek term χάραγμα (charagma, "mark" in Revelation 13:16) was most commonly used for imprints on documents or coins. Charagma is well attested to have been an imperial seal of the Roman Empire used on official documents during the 1st and 2nd centuries.[26] In the reign of Emperor Decius (249–251 AD), those who did not possess the certificate of sacrifice (libellus) to Caesar could not pursue trades, a prohibition that conceivably goes back to Nero, reminding one of Revelation 13:17.[27]

Preterists argue that Revelation was written before the destruction of the Temple, with Nero exiling John to Patmos.[28] Most scholars, however, argue it was written after Nero committed suicide in AD 68. The Catholic Encyclopedia has noted that Revelation was "written during the latter part of the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, probably in A.D. 95 or 96".[29] Additional Protestant scholars are in agreement.[30] Because some believe Revelation 13 speaks of a future prophetic event, "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Revelation 13:8 NKJV), some have argued that the interpretation of Nero meeting the fulfillment is an impossibility if Revelation was written around 30 years after the death of Nero.[31][32][33] However, rumors circulated that Nero had not really died and would return to power.[34]

It has also been suggested that the numerical reference to Nero was a code to imply but not directly point out emperor Domitian,[35][36] whose style of rulership resembled that of Nero and who put the people of Asia (Lydia), whom the Book of Revelation was primarily addressed to at the time, under heavy taxation.[37] The popular Nero Redivivus legend stating that Nero would return to life can also be noted; "After Nero's suicide in AD 68, there was a widespread belief, especially in the eastern provinces, that he was not dead and somehow would return (Suetonius, LVII; Tacitus, Histories II.8; Dio, LXVI.19.3). Suetonius (XL) relates how court astrologers had predicted Nero's fall but that he would have power in the east. And, indeed, at least three false claimants did present themselves as Nero redivivus (resurrected)."[38]

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originally posted by: DrumsRfun
a reply to: intrptr

Hardly anyone buys and sells without money anymore. Its literally impossible, unless you are self contained on an island somewhere.

Thats exactly my point.
Even on an island,you still have property taxes I would assume.
Choose not to pay and......

Money isn't bad and we need to buy and sell.
Its the control that creates the "beast"

Okay then , as little as possible.

I managed that for extended periods in my life. Dove in dumpsters, lived in fields and under overpasses, sold scrap metal and flea markets. About as minimal as possible but still living right under societies nose.

It was the only time in my life I felt I was truly not a part of the system. Theres this inner calm that comes with that kind of lifestyle.

or maybe, just maybe, no one should be using fictional books written almost 2000 years ago to figure out some magical end of the world. Why would anyone think that those stories have any merit?

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DrumsRfun
a reply to: intrptr

Hardly anyone buys and sells without money anymore. Its literally impossible, unless you are self contained on an island somewhere.

Thats exactly my point.
Even on an island,you still have property taxes I would assume.
Choose not to pay and......

Money isn't bad and we need to buy and sell.
Its the control that creates the "beast"

Okay then , as little as possible.

I managed that for extended periods in my life. Dove in dumpsters, lived in fields and under overpasses, sold scrap metal and flea markets. About as minimal as possible but still living right under societies nose.

It was the only time in my life I felt I was truly not a part of the system. Theres this inner calm that comes with that kind of lifestyle.

ugghhh!!! Guess you have it all figured out then.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I recall hearing that currently the mark of the beast is in allowing oneself to get microchipped for identity purposes. At that point, you are fully trackable by those with a vested interest in keeping tabs on the little people. Imagine a microchip that has all your financial, medical, and highly personal data stored on it, and the system is hacked. Your entire life... gone to the highest bidder. Pretty damned ominous, to be honest.

Watch this for a study on the mark of the beast. He describes as action with your hand and head.

revelations was written in another time for other people...not us.

a reply to: Malevotronic

What mark have they taken in the forehead or the hand?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DrumsRfun

Hardly anyone buys and sells without money anymore. Its literally impossible, unless you are self contained on an island somewhere.

People have to eat.

Thing is do we worship money, things and self to the exclusion of all else?

Maybe its "a government identity". The hand or the head could mean finger/hand prints and the image of our face on our id cards, both used to identify us. Maybe it was a mistranslation or misunderstanding. Forehead, fore meaning front. The front of your head. Your face. But fore head is more inclusive and accurate. Your id is more than just a cut out of your face. Your hair, neck, etc is also visible. You can't buy anything of significance, or even hold a job, or have a bank account, without a government/beast issued Identity.

Think about that, your very identity, is something granted to you by your State. A cop will pull you over and be all kinds of befuddled if you don't have your ID. A human being on the loose without his
citizen registration papers?? Omg, we have No Idea who you are, you could be osama bin laden for all we know!

A cop once threatened to bring me in and have my prints ran cause i was sitting in the backseat of a car that was pulled over for suspicion. All/most other cars were speeding. We were doing exactly 55, the speed limit. This was back when they were allowed in WA to check and run everyone's ID in the car no matter the reason for being stopped.

when will people realize that any organized religion is the bane of humanity! god is in ones heart and not in any ignorant backward looking religion! its all bs! one cant reason with unreasonable people

originally posted by: TimHeller
when will people realize that any organized religion is the bane of humanity! god is in ones heart and not in any ignorant backward looking religion! its all bs! one cant reason with unreasonable people

Well, you're getting frustrated and shouting... This tells me you have much wisdom to share. Tell me, preferably in a shouting, exasperated manner, what's Your secret to life?

originally posted by: Woodcarver
or maybe, just maybe, no one should be using fictional books written almost 2000 years ago to figure out some magical end of the world. Why would anyone think that those stories have any merit?

The whole world isn't 'ending', just the Hegemony of the current empire.

That always happens to empires by the way, don't need fairy tales to know that.

ETA: Say you lived in Nazi Germany during WWII, would you feel comfortable living and working at an arms factory, building 'defensive' arms, paying tax to your gubment?

a reply to: 3n19m470

Thanks for that rundown. During one of my 'outdoors' phases my partner and I were stopped andI ID'd. The cops wouldn't let him go without proper ID which he didn't have. They were very flustered, kept pressuring him about his 'ID'.

They finally issued both of us citations for the same misdemeanor , mine had a court date, his didn't. On his 'ticket' under address the cops just wrote "Transient".

This is a get out of jail free 'identity card' , the 'state' didn't give him a charge , court date or fine because he had no home address. They only issue tickets to addresses so they can collect their fine or issue bench warrants for 'failure to appear'. I had a home address on my drivers license, so they can 'follow up' if I refuse to show up.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DrumsRfun
a reply to: intrptr

Hardly anyone buys and sells without money anymore. Its literally impossible, unless you are self contained on an island somewhere.

Thats exactly my point.
Even on an island,you still have property taxes I would assume.
Choose not to pay and......

Money isn't bad and we need to buy and sell.
Its the control that creates the "beast"

Okay then , as little as possible.

I managed that for extended periods in my life. Dove in dumpsters, lived in fields and under overpasses, sold scrap metal and flea markets. About as minimal as possible but still living right under societies nose.

It was the only time in my life I felt I was truly not a part of the system. Theres this inner calm that comes with that kind of lifestyle.

ugghhh!!! Guess you have it all figured out then.

Yes I did. Now I'm domesticated and it sucks. By the way, you have no idea how much money you could make from silicon valley computer company scrap back then.

To 'citizens' with workaday jobs, car payments and rent doldrums, Dumpster diving is 'dirty' (UGGHHH!!!, as you put it), occupation.

We hardly worked at all, when we cashed in we lived for days in nice hotels, eating at fine restaurants, or spent days camped out and fishing on the Sacramento River Delta.

When we were broke we returned to the city and went scrapping again for another half day, cashed in and flew the coop again.

I take that life over the grid life any day.

There are 3 types of Mark.
1) as members have mentioned - credit (SMART) cards with 666 barcode.
2) chip implants - still waiting for compulsory right hand chip.
3) forehead - nanites in bloodstream - completed via chemtrails.

Remember when 'eRevolution' Sci-fi series got canned when the super-computer nanites went online and covered the entire Earth in a 5G matrix ?

Ever wondered why the popular series vanished when viewers joined the dots and thought 'oh crap, we are screwed'.

Everyone who 'thinks' no to the Mark will have their brains eaten by the nanites. Similar to the experiment with the headless reindeer herd in Norway last year.

a reply to: Rapha

Interesting. What powers nanites?

a reply to: Malevotronic

I think only some of the family members know everything but most of the family members do not understand the extent of whats going on and what will happen to them in the future they are purely being used.

I have had chats with family members of the rothschilds sotherbys and van der bilts and they have been clueless about the reality of whats going on, obviously they get told various truths and are way more clued up than the 99%, but it looks like compartmentalisation is employed and the older they get the more knowledge they are given but the ones i have met still suffer the same diseases as us all, the van der bilt family suffer from parkinsons disease and are normally dead by the age of 35 you do not get given power on this planet without responsibilities and if you go against the rules your family line always pays for it.

and the masons are looked upon as idiots by those that give them there orders,
the freemasons who were set up through the catholic church with the aid of the oppenheimers back in 1760

although the catholic church is just a vehicle for the families to hide behind and inflict their genocide onto gods people who are the jewish and christians, just have a look at who kills christians and jews and you will see the evil on this planet.

originally posted by: Malevotronic
The mark of the beast is that which allows someone to buy, sell, or trade goods or services or other monies. All Christians have credit cards, debit cards, checks, and certainly cash on hand.

They can say that it's not the antichrist's system. But it IS. Even if it's just the precursor to his system, which Christians believe, that just makes their excuse all the more profoundly hypocritical.

If what you claim is true, then only some Christians are hypocrites as opinions vary. This "allness" type attitude is always wrong about any topic. You can see by the comments here that there are many ideas about what the mark was, is or will be.