Rumsfeld & 911

Sorry to be posting this here but I can’t seem to start a thread on the 911 forum.

Closed for servicing perhaps?

Donald Rumsfeld was on Fox last night during the Laura Ingraham hour. I was fascinated by his presence since I believe 911 was an inside job. I watched for any signs of discomfort, lying or snowballing.

But he was ever the senior statesman, admitting he voted for Trump, and commenting on the nasty comments thrown at him by George H. W. Man, I didn’t know George Sr. was so enraged by Rumsfeld. What is that all about? The senior George accused Rumsfeld and Cheney of making all the decisions during his son’s presidency and Laura brought it up. Rumsfeld said that Sr. George was a very competitive man and had never liked him, perhaps because Rumsfeld had political ambitions himself.

Furthermore, Rumsfeld said that the country was lucky to have George Jr. during 911. He said this with a straight face.

But after the show ended I Googled Rumsfeld and 911 and read an interview he did with the UK Telegraph where he went through the whole day on 911 and how he was at the Pentagon.

He talked about how he responded right away by going down to ground level from his office and trying to help move injured people. It’s an interesting article to comb through.

But what really interested me was that he states he picked up a piece of the plane and kept it and hung it on his office wall.

Before leaving the scene, Mr Rumsfeld picked up a piece of Flight 77 that was several inches long. It is now mounted in his office in Washington, close to a bust of Winston Churchill presented to him by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Would love to see a pic of that piece of airplane!

Interesting article though and might shed some light for those who like to read between the lines:

Not sure why the link is t working but here’s the title of article to google

9/11 anniversary: Donald Rumsfeld on how he survived the September 11 Pentagon attack

www.telegraph.co.uk... tack.html

a reply to: MRuss

If you think 911 was an inside job , please answer me this....

A) what was the motivation???

Creating the public opinion for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they could give the rebuild contract to Halliburton, I assume..Which at least has a perfectly straight “benefit chain” leading from the action, To the payout..

B) how much time, labor, money and risk would have been involved in setting it up???

A whole lot right???

C) can you think of an easier, cheaper and less risky way to achieve the same goal????


For example, did it really require coordinating flying 2 planes into the Twin Towers to create the public opinion for the wars??!


D) wouldn’t blowing up a couple day care centers in different states, and on the same day give you all the public outrage you needed for the war???

All WW1, WW2 and Vietnam took was blowing up one American naval vessel...

Lusitania, gulf of tonkin, Iraqi soldiers killing babies in incubators (first Iraq war) exc..

The US government’s history has a laundry list of false flags to compare 911 with and none of them required that scale of an operation. . And all of them had the same hypothetical goal.. “create the public support for a war.”


Orcastrating 911 to start a war would be incredibly over priced , overkill concerning false flags..


That said the obviously lied and imho them giving Halliburton the multi billion dollar rebuild contract IS and will likely continue to be the most corrupt act in modern American political history..

a reply to: MRuss
the link you posted to the article seems to be a Known Unknown...

a reply to: JoshuaCox


My reasons for believing what I believe are very long and varied and not the intent of my post.

You know, when I posted this, I could see you in my mind’s eye coming in 3:::2:::1

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I recall the morning of 9-11.The majority of people at work were running around with the news and opinions on who had done it. Because I was known as a politically oriented guy many came to me to seek my insight, such as it was. Who did it Terry, who did it? My reply was simple. It did not matter so much who had done it. What mattered was who would take advantage of it.

Well,
at least we can all agree that the PATRIOT Act never would have gotten off the ground if not for 9/11.

In fact, most of the shenanigans our government does today to spy on its citizens wouldn't have ever been funded. Many of the freedoms we've lost never would have been given up.

Those buildings were demolished- no question in my mind... but who was in on it?

a reply to: MRuss

Secret souvenir from his part in the false flag.

Politicians like doing that. Its a trophy, like Bush wanted UBLs head on dry ice in the White House, kind of thing.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

If you think 911 was an inside job , please answer me this....

A) what was the motivation???

Endless war for profit for the Industrial Military Complex. Looks like they getting their way, just like they did in another era, during the Vietnam war.

a reply to: MRuss
Ah yes...good ol' Rummy...
Did he keep the receipts for the WMDs?

a reply to: MRuss


I am not sure about this trophy business of keeping a bit of the plane. That is a bit like Skull and Bones keeping Geronimo's skull in their glass display case at their Tomb.

I believe they really have it there. These fellas like their trophies I guess.

If I was Native American, espesh descendant of Apache I would not be able to rest about them dishonoring the Native American culture like that. it is an instrument of utter oppression, the kind of thing Warlords do to their enemies when they invade and colonize them. I would not be able to fully respect myself until I had satisfied my conscience that I at least said something about this.

Perhaps they do not have that skull, but I have a feeling that Prescott Bush really did rob Geronimo's grave.

abcnews.go.com...

Last year, a Yale historian uncovered a letter that seemed to confirm the story. Written in 1918, from one Bonesman to another, the letter describes how Prescott Bush and some friends dug up the grave when they were stationed for military duty in Fort Sill, Okla. "The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club ... is now safe inside the [Tomb] together with his well-worn femurs, bit and saddle horn," reads the letter.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: MRuss

If you think 911 was an inside job , please answer me this....

A) what was the motivation???

Creating the public opinion for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they could give the rebuild contract to Halliburton, I assume..Which at least has a perfectly straight “benefit chain” leading from the action, To the payout..

B) how much time, labor, money and risk would have been involved in setting it up???

A whole lot right???

C) can you think of an easier, cheaper and less risky way to achieve the same goal????


For example, did it really require coordinating flying 2 planes into the Twin Towers to create the public opinion for the wars??!


D) wouldn’t blowing up a couple day care centers in different states, and on the same day give you all the public outrage you needed for the war???

All WW1, WW2 and Vietnam took was blowing up one American naval vessel...

Lusitania, gulf of tonkin, Iraqi soldiers killing babies in incubators (first Iraq war) exc..

The US government’s history has a laundry list of false flags to compare 911 with and none of them required that scale of an operation. . And all of them had the same hypothetical goal.. “create the public support for a war.”


Orcastrating 911 to start a war would be incredibly over priced , overkill concerning false flags..


That said the obviously lied and imho them giving Halliburton the multi billion dollar rebuild contract IS and will likely continue to be the most corrupt act in modern American political history..

In hindsight, yes it was necessary in order get their agenda rolling ( TPTB ). Perhaps not the exact scenario, but something of that magnitude.

You realize that 9/11 was arguably the single most significant event of the 21st century thus far right?
It didn't just give BS excuses to start wars. It laid the groundwork for the Military Industrial complex and the global bankers to operate upon every year since then. It provided the reasoning for countless subversive moves by our government, strengthened Zionist agendas, I could go on for days.

Blowing up a few day care centers simultaneously simply wouldn't have had the same effect.

Remember the countless videos you've seen of the plane crashes and the towers collapsing. The sheer horror. The media storm. The displays of emotion.
All of that became embedded in the American psyche in a very calculated way.

They used the world as a stage to portray a very convincing drama. The scale was needed.

a reply to: MRuss

Here is the official story:



You don't believe in motherhood and apple pie?

a reply to: JoshuaCox


All they had to do was get the ball rolling, they did not need to plan every step of the way money to get the terrorists moving, then an adjustment to give them opportunity.

No matter what happens they get what they wanted.

Now I am not convinced it was an inside job, but it was possible.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I'm convinced. Buildings only fall at free-fall speeds when demolitions are involved.

What was the motivation?

Why did the US invade Afghanistan? Why has the production of opium grown from 7% in 2001 to close to 90% in 2017? Why has the US gone through an opiate pain medication epidemic and when those folks were 'cut off' by the prescribing doctors, heroin epidemic?

Would it surprise You if I typed that in those 16 years I typed about, there has also been some "Private Jails/Prisons" built? And if the Private Incarceration Corporation didn't physically build the County Jail, they are running it (For profit) and it'll cost the County millions to get out of any contracts...

And this is just 1 tentacle of 'thee olde beast'...

You know it is 'true' because the Saudi Roi is having their house cleaned prior to the puppets the UN puts together to 'investigate' them funding along with "Senior Turds" of the real turds...

Wakie Wakie

a reply to: dfnj2015


That's fine, in this area I am not going to quibble I am smart enough to recognize I will never know everything that happened that day.

The bottom line is whether it was planned by us or them, the powers that be used it to get what they want.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: MRuss

You realize that 9/11 was arguably the single most significant event of the 21st century thus far right?
It didn't just give BS excuses to start wars. It laid the groundwork for the Military Industrial complex and the global bankers to operate upon every year since then. It provided the reasoning for countless subversive moves by our government, strengthened Zionist agendas, I could go on for days.

Blowing up a few day care centers simultaneously simply wouldn't have had the same effect.

...The scale was needed.

Absolutely. And, I would add, it had the rather convenient effect of vaporizing the building that stored all the records that were being kept as evidence in the investigations into Worldcom, Enron, etc. Cases with the potential for bad outcomes where certain individuals in that administration were concerned....

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originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: MRuss

If you think 911 was an inside job , please answer me this....

A) what was the motivation???

Creating the public opinion for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they could give the rebuild contract to Halliburton, I assume..Which at least has a perfectly straight “benefit chain” leading from the action, To the payout..

B) how much time, labor, money and risk would have been involved in setting it up???

A whole lot right???

C) can you think of an easier, cheaper and less risky way to achieve the same goal????


For example, did it really require coordinating flying 2 planes into the Twin Towers to create the public opinion for the wars??!


D) wouldn’t blowing up a couple day care centers in different states, and on the same day give you all the public outrage you needed for the war???

All WW1, WW2 and Vietnam took was blowing up one American naval vessel...

Lusitania, gulf of tonkin, Iraqi soldiers killing babies in incubators (first Iraq war) exc..

The US government’s history has a laundry list of false flags to compare 911 with and none of them required that scale of an operation. . And all of them had the same hypothetical goal.. “create the public support for a war.”


Orcastrating 911 to start a war would be incredibly over priced , overkill concerning false flags..


That said the obviously lied and imho them giving Halliburton the multi billion dollar rebuild contract IS and will likely continue to be the most corrupt act in modern American political history..

In hindsight, yes it was necessary in order get their agenda rolling ( TPTB ). Perhaps not the exact scenario, but something of that magnitude.

You realize that 9/11 was arguably the single most significant event of the 21st century thus far right?
It didn't just give BS excuses to start wars. It laid the groundwork for the Military Industrial complex and the global bankers to operate upon every year since then. It provided the reasoning for countless subversive moves by our government, strengthened Zionist agendas, I could go on for days.

Blowing up a few day care centers simultaneously simply wouldn't have had the same effect.

Remember the countless videos you've seen of the plane crashes and the towers collapsing. The sheer horror. The media storm. The displays of emotion.
All of that became embedded in the American psyche in a very calculated way.

They used the world as a stage to portray a very convincing drama. The scale was needed.

Absolutely. And, I would add, it had the rather convenient effect of vaporizing the building that stored all the records that were being kept as evidence in the investigations into Worldcom, Enron, etc. Cases with the potential for bad outcomes where certain individuals in that administration were concerned....

a reply to: JoshuaCox


If you watch the 911 testimony, we sure as hell did have intel that something with planes was going to happen....We were warned. We were warned well in advance. We were warned more than once! Greed was the motivation.

By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10. The critical meeting that took place that day was first reported by Bob Woodward in 2006. Tenet also wrote about it in general terms in his 2007 memoir At the Center of the Storm.

www.politico.com...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Well here's my crack at it.

A) what was the motivation???

Well war certainly was motivation because everybody who owned stock in defence contractors and companies were going to make millions. War is extremely profitable if you are on the right side at the right time. Or in the US government's case if you fund/control both sides.

Also, keep in mind the US government needed more control. IE patriot act and freedom act making sure they positioned the government for eventual tightening of the noose.

B) how much time, labour, money and risk would have been involved in setting it up???

I agree that this feat would be daunting but not impossible. Especially when George Bush's little brother Marvin Bush's company was in charge of security of the world trade centers. So security is compromised. Now, what about the demo crew. They most certainly wouldn't use a US company or contractors for this job. They prob used EX Mossad or Taliban who were trained in explosives. These men have no ties or love for the US so it wouldn't be hard to believe that they kept their mouths shut or were killed soon after.

C) can you think of an easier, cheaper and less risky way to achieve the same goal????

Well sure they could have just set off a nuke in a city or any other mass killings. And I am sure they had a bunch that they were considering before landing on the world trade center. But the risk involved with this was the most minimal in their eyes.

D) wouldn’t blowing up a couple day care centers in different states, and on the same day give you all the public outrage you needed for the war???

To answer this one look at the owner of the WTC. He was good friends with Nush and thier crew. He took out 2 insurance policies on the WTC buildingds and added a seperate rider to include terrorist attacks the year before 9/11 and the WTC were built in the 1980's and it would have cost them more money to refit the old WTC to 2000's tech than to build a brand new building.

Another reason the WTC was chosen as the target.

Then remember the "plane" that hit the Pentagon????

Or WTC7 that was not hit by a plane but fell in the exact same way?