UFO'S: It Has Begun

a reply to: nOraKat

John Lear is a fantasist look at claims on. here of what he thinks are on Moon images, roads factories etc.

a reply to: dashen

In fact, they left in a piece of real video at 1.28.21 (where the craft is descending). I looked into this
story and the video some months ago and read that the Pentagon left in real footage after all but cut
out the part where the visitors step out of the craft. You don't have to believe me, I'm sure you can
find it out yourself online.

a reply to: nOraKat

Anything coming from CIA or the KGB or any other government agency should be framed as propaganda. You should not believe in anything propagated by those crooks. Specially when they are telling you things you´d like to be real.

Forget about the aliens and the ufo being disclosed by out corrupt governments, if they one decide to disclose anything it will only be to use the information as a weapon for their own benefit, never to clarify anything.

If an alien race founds a planet like ours that is completely lit at night that has major sources of pollution and artificial constructions, why would they choose to land on a remote and obscure airbase in the middle of a desert to meet with people they don´t know to exist?

Aliens will not arrive like a boat on a shore where may or may not be people to receive them, they will be drawn to our activity just because it will call their attention, they will choose our cities and will land in the meddle of a crowd and the governments will be powerless to control an event like this.

So, believe nothing, suspect from everything that has a governmental source behind it.

Agencies like the CIA or the KGB or others alike were created to control us, to study and control us, reject everything that comes from them.

Might check out this video over the weekend to see if I can glean anything from it...

originally posted by: CrapAsUsual
a reply to: nOraKat they will choose our cities and will land in the meddle of a crowd and the governments will be powerless to control an event like this.

What we perceive as 'aliens' could be a lot of things: subterraneans, robots, probes, psychological phenomenon, cloaked entities, fantasy, ghosts - whatever. But let's ASSUME they are indeed 'folks from some other planet'. Well, I don't really know how such entities "think", if they think at all in the human sense of the word. Nor do I know if they 'breathe' (they may be similar to our plants for all I know) nor do they need to be bipeds etc. etc. So, first of all, we're ASSUMING a LOT here.

With that caveat in mind, even if we ASSUME they are more or less similar to us, so they "think" and their senses roughly match ours (they feel, see, hear, smell, have emotions etc. - again a LOT of ASSUMPTIONS), well, so even if we ASSUME they are more or less like humans, we still don't have any reason to believe they would land in the middle of a city / crowd etc.

Au contraire. Suppose we, humans, would be in their position - we sure enough would not land! Far too dangerous. The crowd might kill us, we might be infested with diseases and the atmosphere is probably not suitable to support us. Also, our species knows the effects it has on a civilisation if they are brought in contact with a (seen as) more advanced culture: the advanced culture will in effect eradicate the less advanced one. Aliens would probably know this too, and if they are here to study us - another assumption - they probably act under some "prime directive" not to interfere with any other civilisation. You don't poke your finger into the petri dish.

Now, perhaps - and again, ASSUMING a lot here - they are here, monitoring us. And say we somehow found out about them, say because one of their probes was found, or perhaps because some scout ship of theirs was joyridden into a crash by their equivalent of some drunken teenagers. Say that scout ship crashed. We found it. We (the government / military) would probably try to cover it up, simply to buy time to analyse the situation. Also, to prevent the population from being harmed as such a ship could be riddled with very dangerous bacteria, virusses etc - remember what our diseases did to the native Americans!

Now, say that we found one of their "drunken teenagers" alive. Say that we then tried to convey this to them (say, by creating a giant crop circle with a picture of the ship or the "alien"). Say that "they" are social beings like us and would like to try to save one of theirs. Say that we were able to "tell" them where to land to pick up their friend. Well, yes, assuming this, assuming that.. but in that case it may be entirely possible that a second ship would land in a remote area.

But landing smack right in the middle of a crowd? Nah, can't imagine they would.

But again, what do I know, perhaps it is simply not true that higher intelligence (required to build space ships that could come here) implies better social skills

I don't need the government to tell me what I've seen with my own two eyes.

a reply to: Dr X

In 1969, Apollo 12 purposefully crashed a 2.5 ton Ascent Stage of its Lunar Module onto the Moon’s surface, and it rang like a bell for hours.

I would not be surprised if it were a base, also considering other anomalies and other witnesses including ones from NASA talking about things they have seen. One witness talked about her or a cohort having to continually airbrush things out of the pictures they gathered there.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Then there is Project SERPO. Maybe Close Encounters was about it.

..project SERPO was supposedly a "foreign exchange of cosmic proportions". SERPO was the name given by humans to the planet where the surviving alien of the Roswell crash came from in Zeta Reticuli.

The story of how humans from Earth were sent to live on the home planet of the E.T.'s

a reply to: ForteanOrg

I guess you´re right.

originally posted by: skunkape23
I don't need the government to tell me what I've seen with my own two eyes.

That's kind of the problem, see?
It's not that hard to convince a mass amount of people anything they choose to. 9/11, all the media, false flags, secondhand smoke being harmful, "Don't eat eggs!"," Regular light bulbs must go!", "You're Racist!", "He has Risen!" etc. They may have been doing this with aliens for decades already. You, along with many others are already firm believers. Because of what you saw. Heck, street magicians pull it off all the time. Imagine what an orchestrated attempt by a very wealthy, government-ran, sophisticated group could do? Sadly, the majority of the community do not question.

However, the breadcrumbs, the sightings, the oh-so-secretive propaganda all the way up to public disclosure might not be enough for people and they fully well know that.

Consider the Wikileak email document from the Benenson Strategy Group on behalf of the Clinton Foundation regarding "Project Firesign" as seen on this page. They've already got the ideas. They've already got the tech.

Dr. Wehrner Von Braun had a lot to say on this subject and here's a quotation from him to Dr. Carol Rosin: SOURCE

"What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics That was how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer satellites". We were told that they were coming to get us and control us-that they were "Commies."

Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons.
The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it.

Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.

And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. "And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie."

We have to question everything we see. We have to examine it really, really well and not rely on our senses or our belief systems.

a reply to: antar

I am just relaying what was said in John Lear's interview. There may be other people who corroborate this, I don't know.

a reply to: TheScale

Here is something new !!!



It sounds legit.

a reply to: TheScale

nothing new for the past 20 years or so.

Actually plenty of things have happened in the last 20 years.

a reply to: JimNasium

It 'may' help Your case if You included testimony from the guy from the Canadian government, in 'Defence' if memory serves. He and a bevy of other folks w/'insider knowledge' gave testimony to some starched shirts. He seemed to be a 'straight shooter'...

a reply to: AMPTAH

Does that come from you (what you suspect) or elsewhere?

a reply to: nOraKat

from what I can remember one of the major financial backers wanted to pull out near completion, as didnt want his name attached to such a project for fear of ridicule, but in the end they let them keep the money as long as their name and all association was removed. I am sure someone one here will be able to remember his name, I know that Richard Dolan spoke about this recently on Fade2Black with Jimmy Church.

I also recall that the footage near the end of the documentary was the original footage but was cut before the craft is shown.

a reply to: wmd_2008

I gotta agree with this, he was involved in the early days but since then some of his ideas and claims and ideas have tarnished his reputation in my eyes that makes him less credible.

a reply to: AMPTAH

According to Colonel Corso, the bio - scientists, after examining the EBE's believed them to be bio-engineered to be a part of the ship. Maybe they are controlled by something like a mind-meld/remote mind. The ship was controlled without any control panels. Another thing he stated is that two of them were identical leading more to the idea of them being bio-engineered. Perhaps their makers look nothing like them.

You mention "curse of attraction to opposite flesh".. you are saying what?

a reply to: wmd_2008

I'm still looking for the thread that had what looked like pipes traveling underground and then being exposed at the craters. Does anybody have the link to that thread? It had pictures. Forgot if that was our moon or Mars.

a reply to: dcipledude

Wow, if this is true.

One thing for sure - lots of cooperation with the military to get footage. Perhaps this lends credence to the whole thing.