If you were showed proof of God right now what would you do?

a reply to: Barcs

Btw, when was the last time you actually checked?

a reply to: bgerbger

What a crock of inane garbage. Your God is a vengeful, vindictive d*ckhead that does not exist.

Indeed, I think you've reflected the atheist mentality perfectly.

Closed minded, negative, charged with ad-hominems and completely
irrational.

Well done indeed.

hey dude thanks for all the flaws! Keeps us fighting and killing over you.
Then
I'd probably just ask for the Gphone number, and text a link
the the above video.

a reply to: spacedoubt

If I accused you of a crap load of B.S. that was really my
fault. Then turned around and claimed you don't even exist.

How in the hell would that make any sense to you at all?

The whole premise of the video is an oxymoron.

Nonsense

a reply to: randyvs

it is a sort of oxymoron, or rather a way of pointing out oxymoronic behavior.
The song is really written to the inventors of the idea of a god, rather than directly to that myth they created.
We do use that myth as our excuse for many nasty things. We blame the myth.

a reply to: spacedoubt

Great response IMO

a reply to: randyvs

thanks randy
Peace to you..

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Do you REALLY imagine standing before God would be like having a pop at your supervisor at work or effing and blinding at a traffic warden?

You guys really do crack me up...

By all means, tell us how it really would be like. Last I checked nobody actually knows, so one person's speculation is really just as good as the next, in all honesty.

Fool!

I couldn't tell you how it would REALLY be like.
But I could tell you how I IMAGINE it would be like.



Maybe tomorrow though...

Yeah, that was my point. Downing somebody else for explaining it in a way you don't agree with, when the whole concept is imaginative speculation in the first place is a bit ridiculous.

Btw, when was the last time you actually checked?

Today. I read science and also see creationist claims on a daily basis. There is no hard evidence for the existence of god. So yeah, nobody actually knows, they have faith. That was my point.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Do you REALLY imagine standing before God would be like having a pop at your supervisor at work or effing and blinding at a traffic warden?

You guys really do crack me up...

By all means, tell us how it really would be like. Last I checked nobody actually knows, so one person's speculation is really just as good as the next, in all honesty.

Fool!

I couldn't tell you how it would REALLY be like.
But I could tell you how I IMAGINE it would be like.



Maybe tomorrow though...

Yeah, that was my point. Downing somebody else for explaining it in a way you don't agree with, when the whole concept is imaginative speculation in the first place is a bit ridiculous.

Btw, when was the last time you actually checked?

Today. I read science and also see creationist claims on a daily basis. There is no hard evidence for the existence of god. So yeah, nobody actually knows, they have faith. That was my point.

I have no hard evidence that my wife is cheating on me.
Doesn't mean she isn't...

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
I have no hard evidence that my wife is cheating on me.
Doesn't mean she isn't...

It is illogical to believe your wife is cheating on you without any evidence. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying the lack of evidence proves god doesn't exist. I'm saying that arguing against speculation with more speculation is pointless.

If your friend came up to you and said, "I bet your wife is cheating on you with the cable guy" and you replied, "No way, she would never do that! She would only cheat with the UPS delivery guy". Both are pure speculation that assume your wife is cheating without evidence.

Hope I explained that sufficiently.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
I have no hard evidence that my wife is cheating on me.
Doesn't mean she isn't...

It is illogical to believe your wife is cheating on you without any evidence. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying the lack of evidence proves god doesn't exist. I'm saying that arguing against speculation with more speculation is pointless.

If your friend came up to you and said, "I bet your wife is cheating on you with the cable guy" and you replied, "No way, she would never do that! She would only cheat with the UPS delivery guy". Both are pure speculation that assume your wife is cheating without evidence.

Hope I explained that sufficiently.

See the mistake you made there?

You said; "It is illogical to believe your wife is cheating on you without any evidence."

I didn't say anything about believing something without evidence.
I said, just because there's no hard evidence of something doesn't automatically mean that something isn't happening.

You were claiming to the contrary in an absolute in your previous post.


I hope I've explained sufficiently...

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: bgerbger

What a crock of inane garbage. Your God is a vengeful, vindictive d*ckhead that does not exist.

Indeed, I think you've reflected the atheist mentality perfectly.

Closed minded, negative, charged with ad-hominems and completely
irrational.

Well done indeed.

Still better than this...

Proverbs 30:12

There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes+

But has not been cleansed from its filth.* [Lit., “excrement.”]

+: Psalm 36:1, 2

36 Transgression speaks to the wicked one deep within his heart;

There is no fear of God before his eyes.

2 For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much

To detect and hate his error.

Isaiah 65:1, 5-7a

1 “I have let myself be searched for by those who did not ask for me;

I have let myself be found by those who did not look for me.

I said, ‘Here I am, here I am!’ to a nation that was not calling on my name.
...
5 They say, ‘Keep to yourself; do not approach me,

For I am holier than you.’* [Or possibly, “For I will convey my holiness to you.”]

These are a smoke in my nostrils, a fire burning all day long.

6 Look! It is written before me;

I will not stand still,

But I will repay them,

I will repay them in full measure* [Lit., “into their bosom.”]

7 For their errors and for the errors of their forefathers as well,” says Jehovah.
...

Jeremiah 23:26-28, 33

How long will this continue in the heart of the prophets, to prophesy lies? They are prophets of the deceit of their own heart. 27 They intend to make my people forget my name by the dreams they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot my name because of Baʹal. 28 Let the prophet who has a dream relate the dream, but the one who has my word should speak my word truthfully.”

“What does the straw have in common with the grain?” declares Jehovah.
...
33 “And when this people or a prophet or a priest asks you, ‘What is the burden* of Jehovah?’ you should reply to them, ‘“You people are the burden! And I will cast you off,” declares Jehovah.’

*: Or “burdensome message.” The Hebrew word has a double meaning: “a weighty divine pronouncement” or “something burdensome.”

Psalm 50:21

21 When you did these things, I remained silent,

So you thought that I would be just like you.

But now I will reprove you,

And I will state my case against you.

Thirty Identifying Marks of False Christian Religions (over 30 quotations from Jehovah's word, Jehovah's "case against you")

"They intend to make my people forget my name..." (Jer 23:27a):
Vatican Seeks to Eliminate Use of the Divine Name

Psalms 15:

1 O Jehovah, who may be a guest in your tent?

Who may reside in your holy mountain?

2 The one who is walking faultlessly,* [Or “with integrity.”]

Practicing what is right

And speaking the truth in his heart.

3 He does not slander with his tongue,

He does nothing bad to his neighbor,

And he does not defame* [Or “shame.”] his friends.

4 He rejects anyone who is contemptible,

But he honors those fearing Jehovah.

He does not go back on his promise,* [Lit., “oath.”] even when it is bad for him.

Ezekiel 11:21

21 “‘“But as for those whose hearts are set to continue in their disgusting things and their detestable practices, I will bring the consequences of their way upon their head,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.’”

Revelation 18:

1 After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory. 2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit* [Or possibly, “breath; exhalation; inspired statement.”] and every unclean and hated bird lurks! 3 For because of the wine of the passion* [Or “anger.”] of her sexual immorality, all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants* [Or “traveling merchants.”] of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.”

4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice* [Or “her crimes.”] to mind. 6 Repay her in the way she treated others, yes, pay her back double for the things she has done; in the cup she has mixed, mix a double portion for her. 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For she keeps saying in her heart: ‘I sit as queen, and I am not a widow, and I will never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.

John 8:25-34

So they began to say to him: “Who are you?” Jesus replied to them: “Why am I even speaking to you at all? 26 I have many things to speak concerning you and to pass judgment on. As a matter of fact, the One who sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.” 27 They did not grasp that he was talking to them about the Father. 28 Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things. 29 And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” 30 As he was saying these things, many put faith in him.

31 Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 They replied to him: “We are Abraham’s offspring and never have been slaves to anyone. How is it you say, ‘You will become free’?” 34 Jesus answered them: “Most truly I say to you, every doer of sin is a slave of sin.


Regarding the bible quotations and the "snares" mentioned above:
Religion is a Snare and a Racket

The preceding videos in the playlist above discuss the evidence for God's existence. The presence of false religion (Babylon the Great, including a counterfeit form of Christianity that is best referred to as Christendom) is also part of the puzzle but discussed in the subsequent videos.

a reply to: CloseEncountersGuy

A beautiful woman. Naked. Horny. And ineffably slutty. What I would then is make sweet love to her.
You'll never need tread too far or for too long to know the god of life and his evil genious crafting.
Women are the charm of the universe. They're trapped on this planet with dummies like you who linger in definitions and blasphemies. Be good. And love your woman.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Do you REALLY imagine standing before God would be like having a pop at your supervisor at work or effing and blinding at a traffic warden?

You guys really do crack me up...

By all means, tell us how it really would be like. ...

The bible claims you will be amazed (other renderings say you will "wonder"). Allthough regarding a slightly related subject that provides evidence for God's existence, activities, plan and ability to prophecy major future events regarding organizations such as the UN and what it represents (including the proposed "New World Order" of peace and security, falsely claiming to be able to achieve that which God promised he would bring about with His Kingdom: "standing in a holy place"... "where it ought not", see Mt 24:15 + Mark 13:14).

Revelation 17:7-11 (you may want to read the below with the information about Babylon the Great in my previous comment in mind, between brackets is mine)

7 So the angel said to me: “Why is it that you were amazed? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the wild beast that is carrying her and that has the seven heads and the ten horns: 8 The wild beast that you saw was [under the name "The League of Nations" from around the end of WWI to the beginning of WWII], but is not [during WWII], and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss [shortly after WWII under the name "United Nations"], and it is to go off into destruction [not happened yet]. And the inhabitants of the earth—those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world—will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present.

9 “This calls for a mind* [Or “for intelligence.”] that has wisdom: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: Five have fallen [Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece], one is [Rome existed in John's time when he wrote this], and the other has not yet arrived [the Anglo-American empire]; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king [UN], but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.

The BIBLE - 3 - Accurate History,Reliable Prophecy

The text above was already explained in 1942 by those who are not apathic to bible prophecy, before the beast re-appeared under the name "United Nations" in Oct.1945. Even the term "New World Order" was used in the speech below at 46:02 - 46:46, I also recommend 26:40 - 39:13:

Current events-The End of False Religion is imminent!

Continuing from Revelation 17 (between brackets is mine):

12 “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast [UN]. 14 These will battle with the Lamb [Jesus], but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”

Just remember that Revelation is not in chronological order. Revelation 6 (between brackets is mine again):

15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne [Jehovah] and from the wrath of the Lamb [Jesus], 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?

That's what it will be like according to Jehovah's word, the bible.

a reply to: spacedoubt

God(s) or not...

It'd probably be wise to start taking responsibility for our choices and actions.



Frankly, even if absolutely irrefutable proof were available, not much would change. Some would lap up anything and everything connected to the proof, some would debunk it as if their life depended on it, and the rest would simply live their lives as they did before.

If the existence of God would cause you to change behavior and actions, it'd probably be prudent to do some self-examination and take a hard look at things.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Yea. I think one of the biggest obstacles in the way of people letting go of these fantasy notions is the connection the religious folks put between their religion and moral living. I hear it nearly every day. Christians using the idea that they are christian , so they can be trusted. Which simply shows their ability to look down on anyone who does not meet their standard of what a christian is. Tribalism is all it is. People picking a side based on what they believe. It is the worst for children.

For me, i will stick with reasonable answers to life’s questions.

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
See the mistake you made there?

You said; "It is illogical to believe your wife is cheating on you without any evidence."

I didn't say anything about believing something without evidence.
I said, just because there's no hard evidence of something doesn't automatically mean that something isn't happening.

Yes, I'm well aware of that, but I'm talking about LOGIC. You said that not having evidence for your wife cheating doesn't mean she isn't. I get that, but that isn't valid logic to suggest she is cheating. It is logical to not believe things that don't have supporting evidence. I never said that not having evidence means something can't happen or isn't true, but it's a logical reason to disbelieve.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
See the mistake you made there?

You said; "It is illogical to believe your wife is cheating on you without any evidence."

I didn't say anything about believing something without evidence.
I said, just because there's no hard evidence of something doesn't automatically mean that something isn't happening.

Yes, I'm well aware of that, but I'm talking about LOGIC. You said that not having evidence for your wife cheating doesn't mean she isn't. I get that, but that isn't valid logic to suggest she is cheating. It is logical to not believe things that don't have supporting evidence. I never said that not having evidence means something can't happen or isn't true, but it's a logical reason to disbelieve.

...said Mr Spock the day before catching his wife in bed with Captain Kirk.

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
See the mistake you made there?

You said; "It is illogical to believe your wife is cheating on you without any evidence."

I didn't say anything about believing something without evidence.
I said, just because there's no hard evidence of something doesn't automatically mean that something isn't happening.

Yes, I'm well aware of that, but I'm talking about LOGIC. You said that not having evidence for your wife cheating doesn't mean she isn't. I get that, but that isn't valid logic to suggest she is cheating. It is logical to not believe things that don't have supporting evidence. I never said that not having evidence means something can't happen or isn't true, but it's a logical reason to disbelieve.

...said Mr Spock the day before catching his wife in bed with Captain Kirk.

Ahhh, those new star trek movies ruined it for me.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Yeah, pretty basic tribalism and groupthink. I certainly don't see much different behavior from the opposing end of the spectrum though.

Really, it seems that those that are less likely to talk about it constantly tend to be more capable of carrying on a conversation without condescension or conversion attempts. Which doesn't seem to be specific to this particular topic either.

At least to me, the most interesting folks to carry on a conversation with are more interested in learning how another perceives the same world. That can, and should, involve some pertinent, "tough" questions, but once the focus shifts to simultaneously proving oneself "right" and the other "wrong" the groupthink kicks in right on cue.

I definitely don't see "proof" changing that dynamic. Especially since it doesn't really change much on any other topic. Our perspectives tend to make up the totality of what we think reality "is," and its immensely difficult to change that process for ourselves, much less anyone else.