Liberals on the wrong side of history

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I can't recall anything remotely resembling what liberal means in their entire platform throughout history ?

You may want to tackle this sentence again, I'm not sure what this word salad is actually saying. You start it off like it is a statement but then end it with a question mark. So are you telling me something or asking me a question? And who is "they"? Pilgrims again?

It's nothing but an authoritarian ideology.

What is?

Entitlement is what causes this kind of issue. When someone gains power or wealth or prestige, they often get entitled and that is where the problem starts. This even happens in municipal governments and government agencies as well in corporations and businesses. Presently, more liberal Democrats are doing this kind of stuff. It may be because there are more entitled liberals in the Democratic party now.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What is?

Liberal/Liberalism.

Maybe they should look up what the word actually means.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

What is?

Liberal/Liberalism.

Maybe they should look up what the word actually means.

Tell that to Thomas Jefferson.

a reply to: neo96

So, “Liberalism” is...

...nothing but an authoritarian ideology.

And...

Maybe they should look up what the word actually means.

Is this an inference that “liberals” don’t actually practice Liberalism?

If so, what’s that whole first quote about?
Are you confused, Neo?



& don’t even get me started on...

They have never been on the right side of history.

Aside from this being a very partisan statement...
It is also an absolutely blatant lie.




I don’t know why I’m breaking my own rules of not reading your posts or engaging you.
Because in 3 and a half years it has never proved to be a productive choice.

Liberalism is the politics of freedom.

When you talk about hating the politics of freedom, you are endorsing the politics of not-freedom.

Or, in other words, Fascism.


This is why people who complain all the time about Liberalism often get called Fascists. Because if you don't want the politics of freedom? If you think freedom is the losing side of the argument. Then what do you want to replace freedom with?

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: face23785

I suggest you narrow it down to wealthy regressive liberals. The working class liberals have no love for them and hated them.

I get what you're saying, but on this issue I can't agree. I lived in a small town in a blue district of Pennsylvania when the Clinton scandal went down. Most people I knew were working class liberals. Here's how I would summarize the most common reaction I witnessed:
"So what the President can't get his dick sucked? And those other women with the rape allegations are probably just trying to jump on the gravy train."

a reply to: Hazardous1408

s this an inference that “liberals” don’t actually practice Liberalism?

There's no inference.

It's a well established FACT.

originally posted by: Painterz
Liberalism is the politics of freedom.

When you talk about hating the politics of freedom, you are endorsing the politics of not-freedom.

Or, in other words, Fascism.


This is why people who complain all the time about Liberalism often get called Fascists. Because if you don't want the politics of freedom? If you think freedom is the losing side of the argument. Then what do you want to replace freedom with?

This is quite an oversimplification, and an incorrect one. The generally accepted view of the political spectrum is that conservatives are for social controls from the government, such as restricting who can marry, and economic freedom, such as less regulation; and liberals are for the opposite, less government control on social issues (interestingly, lately they've actually been wanting more government control, like laws against hateful speech or even climate denial) but more government control on the economic side. Libertarians are for more freedom and less government control in both areas.

I happen to be a libertarian, I probably should've put that in the OP.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Hazardous1408

s this an inference that “liberals” don’t actually practice Liberalism?

There's no inference.

It's a well established FACT.

The word fact and opinion are not the same word

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: face23785

The same can be said about Trump.

A candidate with multiple allegations. And we voted him in office.

Also Roy Moore. Moore allegations as well.

And they want to vote Moore into office. With some people even saying better a pedophile than a democrat in office.

It goes both ways.

I actually addressed this in the OP. My posts must be too long for the short attention spans these days.

a reply to: face23785

They seem to be Democrat platforms, rather than Liberal ideals.

The lack of distinction between Democrat & Liberal will lead to people arguing over two separate things.
The same could be argued when people do not distinguish between Republican & Conservative.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Wheres the freedom part in gun control,forcing people to buy a corporate product(healthcare) Robbing from the rich and giving to the poor, and controlling the air,land,water under the guise of saving the planet.

And we know the entire liberal platform is the antithesis of Voltaire.

Yup, even more of this crap.
SMH




Each of these children needs to grow up and work together to clean up the mess, glue the broken pot together, all before mom and dad get home. Then. the # will really hit the fan.

originally posted by: neo96
Liberals on the wrong side of history

They've never been on the right side of history.

EVER.

That is wildy, and factually incorrect.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: face23785

They seem to be Democrat platforms, rather than Liberal ideals.

The lack of distinction between Democrat & Liberal will lead to people arguing over two separate things.
The same could be argued when people do not distinguish between Republican & Conservative.

I would agree with that, which is why in the OP I stressed several times I was not asserting this was all liberals and that there are counter-examples.

a reply to: face23785

They are not even liberal. They are reactionary.

a reply to: face23785

Yes I did notice that.
I wasn’t actually referring to the things in your OP, but rather your more recent post highlighting the calls for laws against hate speech and climate change denial.

These things mostly are tied to political ideology.



I would say though, that when dealing with the disbelief of sexual harrasment your OP is discussing, I believe it is much more likely to be due to human cynicism.
We all know that the political spectrum is a human construct, and I do believe partisanship is definitely a reason for a lot of the disbelief, and solely to blame for the apologist mindset we have been seeing from some.

But I am more inclined to believe the majority of disbelief of sexual harrasment/assault allegations are due to the cynicism I mentioned previously.
To elaborate, because I think my diatribe is a little vague (for want of a better word), I believe that it is the personality traits of people, rather than their political affiliation that causes this.

For example, I as a “Liberal”, have doubts about the accusations against Bill Clinton, not because of my political beliefs...
But due to the cynical feeling I am left with when not only looking into the discrepancies in the stories, but especially when hearing the allegations being promoted almost solely by the people with either a vested interest in the fall of the Clintons and/or people with a blind absolute hatred of them due to the 30 year propaganda campaign against them by “right wing media”, which no matter what you believe about them, it cannot be denied that a lot of the “scandals” are fake news.

I’ll juxtapose that, because I also believe that the allegations against President Trump are very likely to be false.
The only case I’m inclined to believe, is the story of his ex-wife.
This is despite the “grab them” tapes, because while I do not buy the mantra that it is mere “locker room talk”, I do think it was nothing more than egocentric blather.
Which anybody who knows Trump (surely everyone by now) is well aware of this personality trait of his.



TL;DR
I think it’s more to do with personality than partisanism, at least among the citizens, if not the political arena.
But I may be speaking for the majority with no basis for it but my anecdotal experiences.

a reply to: neo96

except for those silly things like ending slavery, equal rights, women's rights... etc.

a reply to: face23785

No one reads ops anymore. We just comment on the comments.

It's 2017 for petes sake.