Obama Could Be The First President In HISTORY To Be Hit With Felony Indictment

a reply to: neo96

Perusing the list of political names might give a clue as to what is actually missing from the list ...
List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes

a reply to: RickinVa

Yeah. It just didn't go anywhere from there because a bunch of Senators felt like him resigning was punishment enough.

hope so

This would be big. if convicted all his laws passed can be revoked. like when a prosecutor is found guilty.

Again, talking about the person and not what happened. He was spying on everyone while in office and they were all working together so there was no problem.

Trump...he is playing a good game.

He appointed those who will be hated, insiders, that he can use. It worked. There was partisan bickering but it is getting to be almost a year in. I will guarantee they will all but be out by the start of his 3rd year. It was to draw out his opponents and get a feel for everyone. Tillerson is soon to be gone and a total change and his true cabinet will be in place for the post 2018 election cycle.

Those in office right now were pushing the Russian Collusion Angle while they were trying to cover their own. It is dying. You can say it is not but there is nothing. What has happened though is the investigation brought to light things that would not have been if this was a HRC administration. We would have learned about it after she left office not while there.

Obama screwed up but he is in the wind as far as people who will back him up. His two terms are done and he is a footnote. He should have faded like presidents do and let this administration ride out, like in the past, but he did not. Big bullseye on him, the Clintons, etc and those in power I truly feel in the end will sacrifice them for their money and power.

2 things this week I have seen that show me they are more scared than we are led to believe.

1. Pelosi asking Conyers to step down. In a million years I would never have expected that. She sees the writing on the wall.
2. McCain agreeing with the tax plan.

Two major players who seem to be falling in line...

I would also rather see a Clinton indictment than O. He was not my favorite president and this is some seedy # but nothing that others have not done. That does not make it right I just think he really was a puppet and should not be the fall guy here.

a reply to: matafuchs

Sessions needs to go too. He is too tame.

a reply to: xuenchen

Ahh yes my daily liberal doom porn from you. Hey how many of your posts like this have actually come true?

a reply to: carewemust

I agree.

Shaffer said this 9 months ago and still nothing has happened. But keep looking for that pony.
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With regards to late impeachment and why:

First, the criminal penalties facing the president might be insufficient. There might be constitutional barriers to criminally investigating the president; the offense might not be a crime; or the ex-president could have been pardoned, cut a deal, or just left alone. (Significantly, no prosecution was ever brought against the obviously corrupt Secretary of War William Belknap—who was late-impeached but acquitted by five votes.) Congress might feel the urge to punish the ex-president as only it can, such as disqualifying him from future office. If it tweaks the presidential pension laws a bit, it could also use late impeachment to strip an ex-president of retirement benefits, as Senator Specter suggested be done to President Clinton in 2001 (had there been harder evidence against Clinton in the Marc Rich case, Specter’s comments might be more than the less-than-a-footnote they are today).

Second, the impeachment would need to represent some sort of perceived political advantage for Congress.

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Third, Congress might act to protect its prerogatives. If the president left office to avoid impeachment, or if the ex-president was stonewalling a lower level congressional investigation, Congress might feel as though late impeachment was the only way to vindicate its authority. To take a current example, I can easily imagine (1) President Obama deciding not to pursue criminal charges against President Bush and his administration over the torture and surveillance controversies; (2) a netroots-led partisan groundswell that spurs the House to pick up the matter, as the only authority with the power to investigate and make public the former administration’s actions; and (3) impeachment emerging as the only way to break through the ex-president’s assertions of privilege and hold him accountable. Not my cup of tea, but I can still picture it.

Can President Bush Be Impeached After He’s Gone?

So, not only would the prevention of holding further federal office be in play, but so would the negation of presidential privilege. If Obama were to try and use presidential privilege to keep certain information out of the public awareness, impeachment would keep this avenue from being used as a means of defense.

Not that I think this will ever actually happen, but it is sufficient enough reason for me to have mentioned it as a possibility.

He should be charged with many crimes including treason.
a reply to: xuenchen

originally posted by: yuppa
This would be big. if convicted all his laws passed can be revoked. like when a prosecutor is found guilty.

Presidents don't pass laws, the Legislative Branch does. The President can issue Executive Orders, but since they often regulate the daily business of the Executive Branch-- including the armed forces-- they would need to be evaluated and revoked one at a time. If that were not the case Trump would simply have made them all go away with a single decree on day one of his reign.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Kennedy and Johnson were best buds, right?? That's why he was VP...

There is a long, long history is politics, not just US politics, of putting enemies/non-allies into Cabinet posts to either remove them from positions of strength, or where they can keep an eye on them a bit easier.

I can roll my eyes, too.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: visitedbythem

Lol once upon a time....

Are you getting ready to tell us another Old Wives tale?

a reply to: visitedbythem

Are you getting ready to yell us another Old Wives tale?

Homerun!

Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good.

Let's apply Occam's Razor.

This is potentially bigger than Watergate. Every media organisation in the world would want a piece of the action. Yet the story has no traction outside of right wing opinion, sorry, news sites.

Conclusion?

Its nonsense.

If true the republicans will never go for the throat, doing so would open up investigations into all of their shenanigans.

At best some lower level flunky goes to jail, more than likely if anything is found they will go woops national security and pretend it never happened.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Oh and finding an example of a congressman being impeached after he resigned because they were going to bring impeachment charges against him doesn't count.
Just in case that's what you're thinking. Lol

Shows exactly how mis-informed you are.

What congressman are you babbling about?

Oh you mean the Secretary of War that was impeached after he left office.... not a congressman.

en.wikipedia.org...


Again, research your facts before you open your mouth and insert your foot.

a reply to: RickinVa

It's witchcraft in the fall of the year.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: RickinVa

It's witchcraft in the fall of the year.

No doubt... and not very good witchcraft at that.