How having money changes your attitude

Money is an effect, not a cause.
The cause can be circumstance, but most often it is applied intelligence accompanied by yours, or others, management skills.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: dfnj2015

Marx was an asshole.

Look, if you just don't know how to better yourself send me some U2U and I can give you some advice. It really seems like you are asking for help with all your OPs about hating money when the real problem is you don't know how to be successful and need a mentor.

Money doesn't equal success or freedom. I don't know who put those ideas in your head, but you've had the wool pulled over your eyes.
With all that money, you have so much more to lose. What would you do if it suddenly wasn't there?

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: dfnj2015

Marx was an asshole.

Look, if you just don't know how to better yourself send me some U2U and I can give you some advice. It really seems like you are asking for help with all your OPs about hating money when the real problem is you don't know how to be successful and need a mentor.

Mentors are really hard to find...even for me and I could use one or two.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I know a bloke who had nothing all his life. He has long-term severe mental health issues and has been sectioned on several occasions. He is a paranoid schizophrenic. But he had a very caring side to him and would always help anyone who was down on their luck in any way he could. What little he had he would give away to someone in more need. A genuinely very nice person at heart.

Then he was left some money by a relative and now he wont help a living soul. Everyone's after his money he says. I know his mental issues have a lot to do with it too, but it's as if money has taken his soul. He often used to tell me he would never change if he became wealthy, he would still help others because he couldn't live with himself if he was able to help but didn't.

Well he did change. A drastic change. His soul has gone, and in it's place just an empty cold void.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: dfnj2015

Yawn...

Good comment on everything you write.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Exactly.

You can’t hate wealth and wealthy people and then expect to become wealthy. Also, even if you don’t care about being wealthy you could care about how much being wealthy could help you with causes that are important to you.

Stop with the limiting thinking and empower yourself to be successful.

Why is it that people are so high and mighty with their bonehead analysis that they miss the point of the OP. This is not about me. It's not about my relationship to money.

I found research that people with money become jerks. I thought it was interesting. I think everyone commenting here has money knows they are a jerk which is why they are attacking me and my attitude about money. It's not like I said I wasn't a jerk. You just all assumed I did not have money which is incorrect. Sometimes people are motivated to say things that are against their own self-interests because they are looking at the bigger picture. Stop making this about me.

The studies show having money makes you have no compassion. That's what the study says. I think for many people I have met who have money they have no compassion for anyone. And they have an incredibly annoying delusion of entitlement.

a reply to: Metallicus

Stick to OP. It's not my research. This thread is not about me and my relationship about money even though you are not capable of seeing it.

Where are the mods when you need them. So many off-topic ad hominem attacks having NOTHING to do with the OP.

originally posted by: Sapphire
a reply to: dfnj2015

Does having lots of money change your personality into being a jerk?Text

It depends on who you are, but seeing how sheep follow the leader so prevalently, i would say yes. Keeping up with the Jones' never sucked as badly as it does now. People enjoy following rather than leading. It's their weakness.

It doesn't depend on who you are. That is the point of the referenced study. Most people as claimed by the study.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I deliver stuff to people's houses, everything from council flats to stately homes.

The nicest people are either the dirt poor ones or the old money types.
Those with fat mortgages and financed Audi's in the drive are often the most annoying.

I've yet to go visit a grand country house and not had the owners be super pleasant.
One old guy invited me to watch the last 20 minutes of the previous lions test with him since I was running early.

a reply to: dfnj2015

And you missed the advice that Metallicus and I suggested.

Of course its about you - these are your thoughts from page 1

being a jerk? The University of California, Berkeley study below confirms what I've always suspected:

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: dfnj2015

I deliver stuff to people's houses, everything from council flats to stately homes.

The nicest people are either the dirt poor ones or the old money types.
Those with fat mortgages and financed Audi's in the drive are often the most annoying.

I've yet to go visit a grand country house and not had the owners be super pleasant.
One old guy invited me to watch the last 20 minutes of the previous lions test with him since I was running early.

Good observations. Berkeley needs to do another study confirming if having a huge mortgage makes you into a jerk. I think I suffer that one!

a reply to: Look2theSacredHeart

Just because Millennials are living in the basement doesn't mean they are cutting their costs. How many of them are still lining up to buy the latest iPhones? For example?

a reply to: dfnj2015

It is, in a sense, about you.

You have authored a great many threads lately about how much you hate rich people much like a certain other poster has authored a great many threads lately on how stupid Trump supporters are.

It betrays an inner issue.

Money doesn't make you anything anymore than a gun leaps up off a table a shoot itself.

People who have spent a lot of time working hard for what they have get very tired of people who are just starting out in life telling us we have too much now.

We get even more tired when your only answer is to take some of what we have for yourself as if none of us ever give of what we have. But of course, since we don't give of what we have to you ... then it doesn't count or something. Obviously, since we're not sending half out monthly to you direct in the mail. We are now jerks.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

The problem is people like Marx essentially want everyone to suffer because some people can't compete. When we remove incentive to succeed then we crush the human spirit. I don't want my spirit crushed and I don't imagine you do either.

Beautifully said!
My husband and I were actually discussing this last night. Because of the rumors of Bernie Sanders running in 2020. If he wins he will turn us into a socialist country.
I currently work my ass off for everything I have. Started out dirt poor I can remember going to the store for the special treat of a Coke once a week and I had to share that. I am now financially comfortable and do everything I can to help those trying to help themselves however I will not give a hand out to someone sitting on their ass. Like I said you said it much better than I did.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Metallicus

No, I have no problem leveraging the "poor" people to death. Money is good by any means necessary. Skull and crossbones stuff. Most poor people probably have enough bad karma they deserve their lot in life.

The communist do make a good point. They do not consider "other people's money" to be fairly taken. They claim the laissez faire capitalists do not deserve the money because they stole it from the workers immorally. Why is your point of view better or more right than theirs.

I'm not sure I'm in complete agreement with the communists but here's a really good video arguing the CEOs are criminals:

If communism is the thesis and laissez faire capitalism is the antithesis then probably a more equality and more fairer system would be the synthesis of the two. Greed is good. Sharing the commonwealth is good.

That is a lot of angry sarcasm.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I think maybe it's to do with contentment, if someone doesn't feel like they have to get more, then they are generally pretty laid back.

Excellent thread! I'm glad I can quote the science on this now. As a traveler of the riches-to-homeless-rags-to-just-getting-by path I can really appreciate the truth of this.

But will rich people listen? No. They can afford not to. That is the point and reason why it's true, wealth leads to less empathy.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I once thought about what it would be like to be one of the worthy, chosen ones of society. Those that have regardless of their ability or talent.

What would they think as they drove past a construction worker, a cop, a food stand employee....

The guilt is almost part of the thrill. Then the guilt subsides and logical fallacies follow.

A person with a heart is weighed down. They need mental gymnastics to continue enjoying their wealth as well as keeping guilt at bay.

These people get used and abused by everyone and become distrustful and bitter.

The guilt free ones are the most openly happy and well adjusted. They arent out to get anyone or take advantage as a goal. They do so when they must regardless of any sentiment either good or bad.

When a poor person becomes rich they are VERY emotional and fall into the first group. Thats why they end up losing it all in many cases.

Everyone wants to think they deserve the good in their life and the bad is unjust punishment.

If you are wealthy, enjoy it and dont feel bad.
If you are not, dont stop enjoying the little things and dont feel like you are less than others.

Its all a random scam anyways. In the long, LONG run we all get to the top of the mountain all the same.

People that have not been extremely successful financially really seem to have a hatred for people that have been prosperous.