Almost Half of ‘Female’ Transgender Inmates Are Sex Offenders: Report

Oh, you are a Trans-Lesbian....

A man who is really a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body who dresses like a man as many a fine lesbians do.

I get that.

a reply to: melatonin

Biology says xx is female, xy is male. Denying reality is usually seen as mental illness.

That study was flawed, and most likely a statistical anomaly. A recent identical twin study refutes the concept of a biological cause for transexuality.

biologicaltheoriestrans.wordpress.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">flawed study
www.google.com... use/amp/" target="_blank" class="postlink">evidence

The science says no.

originally posted by: Wulfrida
a reply to: melatonin

Biology says xx is female, xy is male. Denying reality is usually seen as mental illness.

That study was flawed, and most likely a statistical anomaly. A recent identical twin study refutes the concept of a biological cause for transexuality.

biologicaltheoriestrans.wordpress.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">flawed study
www.google.com... use/amp/" target="_blank" class="postlink">evidence

The science says no.

Wulfrida, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know science if it bit you on the ass D:

I don't even need to look at the links to grasp that issue. You seem to be confusing a simplistic genetic cause to a biological cause. They are not the same (:

Where were you on the misogynistic sexual assault thread? Thought you'd be fighting the good feminist fight! Just limiting yourself to hating on trans-people these days?

That'll sock it to the patriarchy D:

But keep trawling the internet for anti-trans blog 'science', lol.

Recently, Dr. Michelle Cretella, the president of the American College of Pediatricians, penned a scathing attack on the transgender community thinly veiled as an argument against the dangers of transgender surgery and support; an argument based on medical omissions, circumstantial facts, hateful interpretation and peripheral context.

Earlier this month, the Adolescent Health News Roundup, compiled by Multiview and distributed by SAHM, included the article “I’m a Pediatrician. How Transgender Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse”. While SAHM welcomes opposing views and tries to include other perspectives in its weekly digest of news culled from around the internet, SAHM does not condone misinformation and hurtful, ideological opinion, not rooted in science or evidence-based medicine. The above-referenced article does not meet these standards and was included as “news” in error. It not only promotes a biased agenda, but does so with outright disregard for the facts. We sincerely apologize for including this alongside legitimate news stories and are currently revising our procedures to ensure this does not happen again.

www.adolescenthealth.org...

Hateful interpretation. Yup. Sounds like it would work for you (:

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

the thread you referenced was a trans person attacking a girl in a private bathroom in a private home....Don't cloud the issue with that.

With reference to the rest of your OP; I think you have a good point. I don't believe in funding prisoner sex changes, and I don't believe in putting other convicts at risk due to the "self identification" of a small percentage of other inmates.

That particular case was in a private home, but it does show the dangers of making it legal for someone to use the wrong bathroom in public. The same could easily happen there.

I don't, either. Tax money should never pay for that sort of thing, for anyone.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

First off that thread you linked to found that the assault took place in the apartment bathroom of the girl's family.
It was not a public restroom and the perp was a friend of the family.


Second, I agree that female transgendered that assaulted other non trans females should not be aloud in the same space as non trans female inmates. My question is who did the majority of trans females cited in this article assault?

I also don't think that a man that assaults, sexual or physical, other men to the point that he is put in prison should be aloud around other male inmates.

I also don't think that a woman that assaults, sexual or physical, other women to the point that she is put in prison should be aloud around other female inmates.

In a home or no, it did occur, and it shows the danger of allowing a functioning male into a ladies' restroom.

I'd like to know that as well. One, from what I recall of the article, did assault/rape women. We aren't told about the rest, though I'd guess women were the targets there as well.

I agree; anyone who is violent should be segregated. Far too many assaults of various sorts in the prisons.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

...but officials refused to answer freedom of information requests on the number of sex offenders amongst them, alleging that there is no “business or legal case” for recording the data.

So if the government doesn’t record the data...
Where did this 41% number come from?

Clearly, the data is recorded, or no one would know. Seems they are dodging a request to reveal it.

Also...

We already have cases of someone trans attacking in a restroom...

As well as this being irrelevant to the premise of the thread...
You should be a little more honest and let the readers know that the assault in that thread was done in a house by someone who knew the family of the little girl...

You know, before the readers assume that the assailant was in a public restroom hunting for victims...

It's relevant, because it shows that such a person can be quite dangerous. If that guy would do what he did there, he'd likely do it in a public place as well, given the opportunity.


Back to the topic...

...compared to 17 per cent of the population as a whole...

17% of Britain identifies as transgender???

Haha.
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a while.

Better reread it. They are talking about the number of sex offenders in the population.

A report by feminist charity Fair Play for Women found “at least 41 per cent” of transgender inmates housed in jails across England and Wales are sex offenders — compared to 17 per cent of the population as a whole — and that a further handful are held in maximum-security category A prisons.

...there are 70 transgender inmates in English and Welsh jails...

& “41%” are sex offenders?

Aside from the fact I think that is bullsh*t...
That amounts to about 30 people.

Hardly an epidemic.

41% of the trans prisoners are sex offenders. Only 17% of the general population are sex offenders. That's a massive difference.

Just a FYI...
There are many things in Britain that can land someone on the sex offenders register...
Things like indecent exposure for one.
So we shouldn’t assume (even though this sounds like baseless propaganda) they’re all locked up for rape or assault.
Especially given the fact that they haven’t mentioned in the article the crimes committed.

Again, better reread. The article talks about one trans prisoner who is a rapist. I quoted that section in the OP.

My final words on this, who gives a flying f*ck if a sex offender is transgender or not?
People’s gender does not make them predisposed to sex offences.
& anyone who suggests it does is a propagandist with an agenda.

Who cares? the women who might be forced to be housed with a man, who claims he is a woman, and who is a rapist, would certainly care! Any sane person, who doesn't want those women assaulted while in prison, would care. 41% vs. 17%? Better rethink your position.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


LOL

Let guys who say they feel like women get transfered to a womens prison!

The insanity continues. That is going to work real well.

I'd like to know how those who defend every trans demand will react when some of them do end up assaulting someone, because of these new, stupid rules. Based on one comment, I'd guess some will claim it's no big deal.

Insanity, indeed!!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wonder what the true "trans agenda" is -- and I don't mean the transgender population itself, most of whom probably just want what we all want: to live our lives in peace. But rather those doing the social engineering. Because, (1), their "solutions" are quite adversarial and guarantee continued conflict -- but that's not so hard to figure out. It's just another battle front in the divide-and-conquer campaign against us. In this instance, for example, we all know no good can come from placing a violent sexual predator in confinement with his victims of choice. None. The same is true of a violent male sexual predator who preys on other males. It's not about being transgender -- it's about being a violent sexual predator! And no doubt non-violent non-predator transgender persons cringe with the rest of us, knowing that when the inevitable happens, all transgender persons will be looked at as the same violent sexual predator by the general public. Divide-and-conquer.

And (2), despite evidence indicating otherwise, there is a deliberate effort to put all "transgenders" into the same box, despite knowing there are differences -- including a tendency to sexual violence by some. Even the transgender community itself distinguishes between transgender persons who genuinely feel they are in the wrong body, and those called cross-dressers or transvestites -- although I have yet to find a common definition of what the difference is. (I'm happy to be enlightened if someone can point me in the right direction...)

There is no real regard for the transgender individual, but rather they are being exploited for another purpose. Probably several purposes, by many parties. Starting with the medical establishment in general, and Big Pharma in particular, who profit mightily by providing "the cure"... which, in at least some cases, is also the cause. And, of course, let's not leave out Monsanto and their endocrine-disrupting Round-up in all its applications. But as long as corporations are legally mandated to do what's best for their shareholders -- i.e., what makes the biggest profit for the shareholders -- our health and our best interests will always come last... And that includes the best interests of transgender persons.

There is much to be studied and understood about gender dysphoria and gender-identification issues. But these studies have not been done and I suspect will not be done because it's not in the best interests of the few -- and to hell with the many. The NIH announced they would be conducting a study, but the NIH has become so politicized I don't expect much of substance.

It's all very confusing. Nothing about it all makes any sense -- I suspect deliberately so.

Well stated! One issue I have seen is that we aren't allowed to actually define anyone in that category. We are told that only they can define themselves, and of course, many disagree on those definitions. I have seen comments, that were trying to explain which term meant what, that were flat out contradictory, and quite confusing. There are differences, of course, but legally, it's all being lumped together, and that isn't helping anyone.

The drug/medical issues are another problem; I agree. When many (most?) who do change themselves physically regret it later, it ought to be clear that isn't the right solution, but greedy doctors and drug companies would rather get the money for the treatments and surgeries, and all the accompanying medications, than look for a real solution, that actually helps the patient. Terrible, truly.

originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Yeah i identify as a female, but im a lesbian, and my beliefs forbid me from getting the surgery so i have to make love with my stupid penis.. I hate it! Please feel sorry for me...

Alright, that's a bit funny.

originally posted by: JHumm
Real smart .....put a rapist in a woman's prison and how his penis is a weapon.
I don't agree that tax money should pay for elective surgery.
It shouldn't matter what they identify as being . if you have a penis you should go with the rest of the penis carrying inmates .
Then they can identify as a criminal woman trapped in a criminal mans body ,trapped in an all male prison.
Or maybe the solution, one section of the prison for them shouldn't be to hard to make happen , don't know if it's warranted or not to even consider .
But putting a rapist in with women is going to end well for the women , and whoever decides it's a good idea or ....or the women will treat the rapist as he would be in a mens prison and they will solve the problem themselves.....

Yeah, nothing about that sort of policy will work out well, for anyone involved. Isolating such prisoners, in a small section, shouldn't be that difficult. Any who commit sexual assault, trans or not, should be isolated, too, if among their preferred victims. Any who commit such acts in prison ought to just be shot. Sick, how much of that happens.

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
Yes and liberals always paint gay people as the oppressed and victims,when in fact it seems it's the other way ,freaks protecting their own warped mind,disgusting IMO

I can't agree more!!

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

It's relevant, because it shows that such a person can be quite dangerous. If that guy would do what he did there, he'd likely do it in a public place as well, given the opportunity.

But Are saying that being trans means there is a higher chance that a person is a monster like that?
If a straight white male rapes a women that he lives with are we to assume that ALL straight white males are a dangerous to all women? Can you see why people are arguing this part of your op with you?

originally posted by: Denoli
you mean half have been convicted ?

I bet the other half have a few skeletons in there closet .

And thus the world has gone bat # crazy !

Not sure what you mean there.

originally posted by: Painterz
This story was utterly fabricated by some TERFs. Then the idiot journalist at the Times copied the information from the fabricated website.


*snip*

I'd assume you have some evidence of this claim? If so, you forgot to post it.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Painterz

Trans-exlclusionary Radical Feminists.

A group of feminists that think all men are evil, all straight sex is rape, and trans-women are just men using disguises to infiltrate women's safe spaces.

We should not believe anything the TERFs say.

Divide-and-conquer -- you play the game well.

I have read about the mission and efforts of these women and the abuse they have received from the trans community -- much like you so contemptuously insulted them just now while refusing to even acknowledge, much less respect, the very real issues they challenge. Specifically, the insistence by too many that women's advocates cater to the trans community.

You must realize that transwomen are not the same and do not have the same needs as biological women. And pretending they are does not make it so... the push to treat them the same actually hinders and harms biological women, whose very real needs are forsaken because it's not "inclusionary" to transwomen. I would say that it also harms transwomen who often neglect their own specific needs by ignoring their physical reality.

There is absolutely no virtue in ignoring the needs of some for the needs of others. And I will not fault these women for refusing to turn their back on the needs of some because it's "exclusionary" to others with different needs.

I just asked for evidence of the claim, but I like your response better!!

originally posted by: eletheia


Seems prison could be the 'go to' for any transgender who couldn't

afford the surgery.

Commit a crime go to jail and 'bingo' £10,000 plus? of free surgery?

Now I might like a few nips and tucks ..... Do you think if I committed

a crime I might get it? ...... pigs might fly.

I have been wondering about that myself! Same for some suddenly wanting to be military.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I'd like to know how those who defend every trans demand will react when some of them do end up assaulting someone, because of these new, stupid rules. Based on one comment, I'd guess some will claim it's no big deal. Insanity, indeed!!

They will react the same way you do when you read about a straight male raping someone. Do you automatically accuse every man in america of being a rapist when one of them does it.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
Transgenerdism is a mental health disorder, stemming from the person's inability to accept themself as they are. I know it's not PC to say it, but it's true. It makes sense that a person with a known psychological issue that focuses on sexuality would have a higher-than-normal risk of having other issues with sexuality.

Agreed. Treating it as a mental disorder, though, doesn't allow for them to be used as political tools, or for nearly as much money as do medical treatments.

17% of Britain identifies as transgender???

No. It's saying 17% of Britons are sex offenders. Which still sounds suspiciously high, although since this is a feminist group it's possible they're using an overly-broad definition of "sex offender."

Exactly! As for the numbers, I would like to know where they obtained their data. Seems high, but then again, the suicide rates are far higher for this group, so possible that other sorts of behavioral/mental issues could be as well. I, too, would like to know what definition of the term they are using. If it's someone prosecuted as a sex offender, that's one thing. Knowing what sort of offense would help, too, though we are told that one double rapist is among those in their study.

originally posted by: Gargamel

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

the thread you referenced was a trans person attacking a girl in a private bathroom in a private home....Don't cloud the issue with that.

With reference to the rest of your OP; I think you have a good point. I don't believe in funding prisoner sex changes, and I don't believe in putting other convicts at risk due to the "self identification" of a small percentage of other inmates.

Can someone clarify for me why it matters that a predator looked for prey in a private residence rather than a public place? Does it somehow make the person less of a predator by being in a private setting?

Seems to, for some!! that the person was trans, and raped a child, isn't as important as the location, for some people. I don't get that.

originally posted by: melatonin

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

...but officials refused to answer freedom of information requests on the number of sex offenders amongst them, alleging that there is no “business or legal case” for recording the data.

So if the government doesn’t record the data...
Where did this 41% number come from?

Who needs actual data when you've got gut feelings? D:

41% Sounds about right, though, yeah? Gotta be. lol

Dare I say... Fake News?

All this transphobic furore because the new Gender Recognition Act is incoming. Similar processes have been introduced in many countries with no drama. No problem. No fuss.

But now the right-wing hate parade is in full flow. How sad. Even Catholic Ireland introduced their version of a GRA without a hitch.

See the people stirring up the hatred. Ye shall know them by their posts (:

Your evidence is where, again?

Seems to be missing.....