Are Voter ID Laws Racist?

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: scraedtosleep

its laziness. all states can issue 1 free id card for programs and id.they mail them too. ya just have to call or write to them

An entire group of people can't all be lazy.
At this point I do not believe that the majority of the black community are without ids. And that this voter id stuff is just smoke and mirrors coming from BOTH side and is purely political.

Where are the ats members that can tell us the truth about this?
I know that 90% of the white population carry an id of some kind at all times.
I know that because i'm white.

How will I ever know the truth unless some black members come in here and teach us?

a reply to: Konduit

I don't know about Nigeria but Canada actually accepts a wide range of documents to prove identity:

www.elections.ca

It's actually less restrictive than what's required to get a driver's license in the state of NJ.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

yeah a group can be lazy. if they all think the system is rigged.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

In California, they will then assign a voter registration number and mail you a Voter Notification Card.

Or not. You seem to assume that if someone cannot be verified they will automatically be registered.

Please detail the process in place that verifies (or not) voter registration applicants who don't offer a state-issued ID/DL or SS#.

TIA.

ETA: And, btw, the HAVA mandates such registration applicants MUST be registered.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: face23785

Republicans will say no and Democrats will say yes.

More like Democrats will say yes and everyone else will say no.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: scraedtosleep

yeah a group can be lazy. if they all think the system is rigged.

It is impossible for a group of humans that large to all think the same.
You are being silly.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Dont have a right to buy a house? Get married? Get a job?

No right to buy a house.
No right to get a job.

I don't actually recall having to show my ID when I got married. That was a long time ago though.



The thing is, the "ID to vote" thing is about showing ID at the polling place. You do have to prove you are who you say you are when you register to vote.

We dont have a right to own private property?

Doesnt that just go without saying?

It does: we are our own property, and our rights are derived from that hence the term "our god given rights" which makes a statement against the notion of kings owning all property including ourselves. You see when our personal sovereignty is bestowed to us from a power above kings then men cant take it away from us. AKA Libertarianism 101 (what the founding fathers were all about):


Michael Badnarik - Constitution Class

Its mandatory in canada to have a photo ID to vote, each province has a government ID which cost around 20 dollars and is good for 5 to 6 years.

Im all for the rule, asking people to get an iD to vote is not racist.

The only issue is not alot of smaller towns have government offices, so it can be a pain in the ass to get one.

So again its not racist but annoying to get.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Are you prepared to argue the veracity of that mind-numbingly inaccurate infographic? For somebody who constantly declares his lack of partisan bias, you certainly have a predilection for far-right propaganda.

First and foremost, the ID requirements for many of the items in the left column vary from state to state. Secondly, at least some of them are not legal requirements. Thirdly, even in instances where an ID is mandated by law, many of these don't actually require a photo id.

Should I just pick a few at random? How about apply for Social Security? Nope, no photo ID required. Apply for foodstamps? Nope, no requirement for photo ID. Donate your blood? Again, that's a nope. There was a proposed bill to required ID for pre-paid cellphones but as far as I know, that died on the vine last year.

Then you have these other stupid entries for situations where you have to provide proof of age. As I think most people know, by about our mid-20s, most people aren't getting carded for cigarettes or alcohol and even rarer yet is getting carded to enter a casino's gambling floor.

Prescriptions? Again, rare in my experience unless it's something commonly abused. It's also rare to be asked for a photo ID when using a credit card and I'm not aware of any laws which require it. Are you?

Kind of a sad, bull# list really.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I regularly have to present ID to buy over the counter medications.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: theantediluvian

I regularly have to present ID to buy over the counter medications.

You should just look at em and say, "That's racist!".... See how far that goes! lol Amazing it's only racist when it comes to voting?

a reply to: face23785

There have been a lot of studies on this subject with real data not just superstitious delusions:

How Voter ID Laws Discriminate

The right uses all kinds of tactics for voter suppression. But nobody really likes democracy anyway.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Dont have a right to buy a house? Get married? Get a job?

No right to buy a house.
No right to get a job.

I don't actually recall having to show my ID when I got married. That was a long time ago though.



The thing is, the "ID to vote" thing is about showing ID at the polling place. You do have to prove you are who you say you are when you register to vote.

How is a voter ID any different than having to provide some form of ID just to register.

a reply to: face23785

To have an reasoned discussion of voter ID laws, I think it's probably best to focus on the requirements of a specific law from a specific state.

In general though, voter ID laws are a solution to problem that actually isn't that pervasive to begin with which should lead one to wonder what their purpose is. I don't know that I would say that they are "racist" in their impact as much as disproportionately affecting the poor, elderly and infirm.

There's voluminous empirical data attesting to the reality that individuals in the impacted groups are far less likely to have forms of ID like driver's licenses. That's not really something that's in debate. Furthermore, they are in general less likely to possess the means to obtain certain forms of identification.

In fact, there's really no debate about whether or not voter ID laws suppress the vote. The questions are really whether or not that is the actual intent of the laws and whether the impact of the "solution" is justified by the severity of the "problem" or not.

I'd say no. I'd also argue that there's a lot that can be done to satisfy people who are genuinely concerned about voter fraud without effectively disenfranchising people (unless of course that's the plan all along).

If the goal is to let everyone who wants to vote, vote, and to insure that people who shouldn't vote, can't vote, then the cure shouldn't be worse than the disease.

a reply to: face23785

Of course not. The left doesn't want our Republic to be pure.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The column on the right would seem to be in regard to a right. The others, not so much.

Requiring an ID to vote is not racist in itself, but it certainly would affect some citizens more than others.

If a white guy and a black guy go,through the same process with the same requirements for said ID...why isn't it racist to white people? Do I have some advantage I don't know about over at the DMV?

a reply to: Phage

Because property rights don't exist...and the first amendment does not exist...and the second amendment does not exist....Where do you even get this from?

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: theantediluvian

I regularly have to present ID to buy over the counter medications.

Which isn't on the list but yes, there are definitely states that are requiring ID for OTC medications. Here in NJ it's medications that contain precursors to meth I believe.

That's not a blanket requirement though, is it? As I said regarding prescription drugs, "unless it's something commonly abused." You don't need to show ID to purchase aspirin, do you? It's typically the same with prescriptions. If you're picking up an antibiotic, it's unlikely that you will be asked to show photo ID. On the other hand, if you're picking up a prescription for a hundred perc 10s, you're going to get asked for ID.

What about the rest of that list?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Then you have these other stupid entries for situations where you have to provide proof of age. As I think most people know, by about our mid-20s, most people aren't getting carded for cigarettes or alcohol and even rarer yet is getting carded to enter a casino's gambling floor.

Prescriptions? Again, rare in my experience unless it's something commonly abused. It's also rare to be asked for a photo ID when using a credit card and I'm not aware of any laws which require it. Are you?

Kind of a sad, bull# list really.

I'm 46 and have been carded for purchasing alcohol, entering a casino, and filling a prescription (yes, highly controlled) in the last couple of months. As far as being ID'd for using a credit card, I occasionally get asked.

HOWEVER, even if it's not the law in some/most of the instances in that graphic, if businesses are implementing policies designed to discriminate based on race, then the SCOTUS has found it is a civil rights violation. Doesn't matter if it's 'business policy' or 'law.'

The Federal Civil Rights Act mandates “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

a reply to: dfnj2015

I've read the article, but it doesnt show any graphs or numbers.

Whatever they are, which all "poor" are part of, I wonder if they account for people whom are mentally retarded, and the like?

Consider if a person isnt competent or responsible enough to even get an basic ID (which in some states its illegal to even leave the house without one) then how well informed etc etc could they even be to be voting in the first place?

Are Democrats really that desperate for the absolute lowest common denominator vote? I thought they were supposed to the "High Information" voters?

Perhaps most important question it, how are people too incompetent to get an ID even registering to vote in the first place???

And for the young people (whom should be getting a drivers license anyways), if voting is so important to them then is asking them to go and get an ID too much to ask? They get to register to vote at the same time.