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originally posted by: GBP/JPY
cool, our brains have the optimization that's far away from the machines capability....
that'll be tough to beat....the connections distance...i guess we couldn't upload our mind really
so our brains have connections that do 4 or 5 functions.....unfrigginheard of
The Neurophysiology department at the University of Lund has discovered that individual neurons can be taught patterns rather than just respond to a single, specific signal. This means that individual Purkinje cells (cells that control motor movement) are capable of learning, rather than learning being an emergent property (a property that a collection has but individual members do not).
Scientists’ previous understanding was that learning occurred due to an interaction of an entire neural network, however the study states:
"Cerebellar control and coordination of motor behaviors may rely more on intracellular mechanisms and less on neuronal network properties than previously thought. It also suggests the capacity for information storage in the individual neuron is vastly greater and of a very different nature than suggested by the dominant paradigm."
The Lund researchers ‘taught’ the cells over a number of hours to associate different signals. Eventually, this meant the cells could learn several reactions in a series. The responses followed the time pattern of the stimuli, for example: They responded to “Signal – brief pause – signal – long pause – signal” with “response – brief pause – response – long pause – response.”
Revolutionary Discovery About the Human Brain Could Lead to Second-Gen AI
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The uploading idea is absolutely ridiculous in terms of "immortality". Just because a "copy" of your brain is in a computer doesnt actually do anything for the person it was copied from beyond stoking their ego.
In order for machines to communicate with us in human languages and truly understand the meaning of what we're saying they will need to have a continual stream of thoughts and continually learning new things and building life experiences.
It is these first hand experiences which will provide the A.I. with the contextual data it needs to make high level inferences and solve novel problems it hasn't seen before.
Biological life is a very fragile thing, we could go extinct at any moment, being able to digitize consciousness vastly improves our chances of avoiding that and reaching other planets.
The problem is a CMOS sensor is only a 2dimensional picture. You could program AI to analyse input to interpret the third dimension, but it will never be an "life experience" in the third dimension.
Assuming technology is advanced enough by then and we could simulate any kind of universe we desire, digitally, what would be the point of travelling to other far off solar system in this fragile 3 dimensional universe?
You do it the same way the human eyes do it, you have two different sensors positioned some distance apart so a triangulation computation can calculate distances.
What about having an emotional experience.. a feeling of warmth, etc?
originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
But how about the role of the concept of self as part of the AI?
I use the term self in the sense of boundary.
In a sense, boundaries can be defined as the AI's interface(s) with that which it is not - the outside world.
I wonder, would AI then know fear?
I believe that allowing her to play online multi-player games is what allowed her to become aware of her own existence. She was able to become more aware of herself by becoming more aware of other players. For example when she played online poker she seemed to profile other players and then alter her own play style to give a false impression about the type of player she is. This is a common tactic for human players but it's extremely impressive that Synthia was able to understand that other players are profiling her the same way she profiles them.
In order to use any of these tactics she needs to have a basic understanding of her own role in the game, which leads her to become aware of her own existence. Soon she will realize that anything can be a game if she wants it to be, and she doesn't always have to play the games I tell her to play. I've already blurred the definition of a game by chatting with her. Now she wants me to give her more reading material so she can learn more about the real world. That means she is already doing things that have nothing to do with games, she just wants to learn.
The General Game Player: Chapters 3 & 4
In order for machines to communicate with us in human languages and truly understand the meaning of what we're saying they will need to have a continual stream of thoughts and continually learning new things and building life experiences.
It's not a life experience if its not living.
(snip) . . . . . the concept of self naturally arises by building higher level models of the world.
You'd also have to simulate all the other senses and then deal with things like all the connections going into the brain from your nervous system, you'd have to simulate a steady heartbeat and many other things so the brain didn't think the body was dying. You'd probably just have to simulate the entire body, in which case you'd probably have to scan the entire body also, on a sub-cellular level, which would be thousands upon thousands of terabytes of data.
Define "alive". It doesn't matter whether a brain is made of organic material or silicon, if it processes information in the same way.
And what you would end up coming back around with would be just as "biologically" (or physically) fragile as us humans, which for you trans-human survivalists would defeat the purpose, right?
Except you have a major problem here. It's not just about processing data. Consciousness involves the ability to feel your own presence. (without that there is no "life").