Random Number Generator Predicted 911 & Tsunami

Originally posted by paperclip
Greyhaven7, as far I understand it, it is only 0's and 1's, randomly generated, so

Binary code? There are a variety of different methods of coding numbers or symbols into strings of bits, including fixed-length binary numbers, prefix codes such as Huffman codes, and other coding techniques including arithmetic coding.

That's pretty interesting. Do you have a link perhaps?

this is interesting. however in my opinion i dont think it predicts. i think it reacts.

my reasoning behind this is that the article says that ordinary people can affect the random generation of the numbers.

take 9/11. the article says that the random generation of the numbers was affected not only as the people of the world watched the horror of the event unfold but they say it predicted it as the numbers generated began changing 4 hours before the event.


if one ordinary person can alter the pattern of the numbers then prior to the events unfolding, and watched by the world, there where people who knew what was to take place. the hijackers and the planners.

for them the event had already begun hours before a stunned world saw the live tv pictures of that sad day unfold.

the tsunami is a natural disaster. i wonder could some form of energy or disturbance in the earths magnetic field have anything to do with the random number generator .

these are just my thoughts as this article got me thinking.

Originally posted by paperclip
Lucid Lunacy, the article was written for general populace, hence the lack of dozens of pages of mathematic equations.

Of course. Still it wasn't provided in this thread so naturally we are going to wonder how they arrived at their conclusions.

However, a link was provided for me noosphere.princeton.edu...
So I will read through that site then post questions I felt they didn't address.

Originally posted by paperclip
The absence of explanation does not negate the very existence of the phenomena.

I very much agree. I'm not dismissing this just because of that article. I believe in the possibility but im skeptic.

Originally posted by LuDaCrIs
ALso, generating a series of random numbers in a computer program is actually not random at all. Its impossible to create a "random" number generator through a computer program.

I'm a programer myself and what LuDaCrIs says is correct, as far as I know. We can program a random number generator to be mostly random. I wonder how these scientists are factoring that in; I wonder what they feel that entails based on their findings (computer AI?)

Originally posted by red111
this is interesting. however in my opinion i dont think it predicts. i think it reacts.

If it's legit I think it's reacting as well. However, if it reacted before the event happened then we would formulate a prediction =)

Perhaps an energy output of some kind from some source always occurs prior to large scale events such as 9/11 or devistating tsunamis. Perhaps the generator is being influenced by that. We would call it a prediction but it would still really be a reaction.

Originally posted by red111
the tsunami is a natural disaster. i wonder could some form of energy or disturbance in the earths magnetic field have anything to do with the random number generator.

Well i'm sure (if it's legit) whatever is influencing it is a natrual energy source...whatever that means.

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Originally posted by red111
this is interesting. however in my opinion i dont think it predicts. i think it reacts.

Perhaps, but that doesn't alter the underlying weirdness one bit.

Posted by Jemison

Exactly. The entire concept of time not being linear is so hard for me to comprehend. I thought I did a pretty good job of thinking out of the box but this is as if the box has gone to the moon, did a tap-dance on jupiter, played soccer with Mars, yoga with Pluto, hide-n-go seek with Saturn and then had high tea with the Queen of England.

I hear you. Its not so much grasping a new concept as letting go of an old one. What got me into the study of time was learning that certain modern stone age cultures had no concept of linear time. I thought this was crazy. How could you NOT see time as linear??

I began to research just how these primitive cultures could have such crazy illogical notions of cyclical time/dreamtime etc. I looked to science to prove my concepts right. It couldn't. My world was rocked.

I did learn that if a linear concept of time was not imbued in people from these cultures by adolesence, they were incapable of ever grasping the concept. The reverse must also hold true.

Its kind of like grasping the 11 dimensions of M theory. We can't visualize it but we must accept it.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
I'm a programer myself and what LuDaCrIs says is correct, as far as I know. We can program a random number generator to be mostly random. I wonder how these scientists are factoring that in; I wonder what they feel that entails based on their findings (computer AI?)

Um yes.. as was mentioned earlier, the random numbers are not generated by a digital state machine, but by sampling analog events.

Also of interest:
www.princeton.edu...
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
Scientific Study of Consciousness-Related Physical Phenomena

In unattended calibrations these sophisticated machines all produce strictly random outputs, yet the experimental results display increases in information content that can only be attributed to the influence of the consciousness of the human operator. Over the laboratory’s 20-year history, thousands of such experiments, involving many millions of trials, have been performed by several hundred operators. The observed effects are usually quite small, of the order of a few parts in ten thousand on average, but they are statistically repeatable and compound to highly significant deviations from chance expectations.

...till this "incredible machine" can PREVENT such an act to happen/or give us knowledge to aid mankind to prevent a tradegy

...something pretty significant should occur soon. The graph has been off the chart (top) several times starting at about 11:45 pm cst.

I suppose our normal attempts to simulate this are probably pretty much useless, as we don't have a means to generate REAL random numbers. Computers generate pseudo-random numbers calculated off algorithims. Since they have specially made "random event generators", I'm assuming that these buggers generate TRUE random numbers based off quantum phenomena.

Out of curiosity, megaquad how'd you generate your random numbers in your flash "realitydistortiongraph" thing?

This site (www.random.org... ) generates true random numbers using atmospheric noise. Maybe you could use it as your source of random numbers instead.

This site (moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk...) seems to be a good read on REGs too.

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I was a bit disappointed in ATS when I searched the archives on GCP a month ago and found little as this is not a new project. I thought ATS members would be all over something like this. I've been interested in this and other PEAR research projects.

The GCP website is in depth and explains a lot of the methodology and thinking behind it. I don't understand the more advanced technical aspects as I'm not a scientist. It's interesting to go to the page where they show major world events in terms of correlations.

An interesting observation made by the scientist's is that there isn't a high correletion with all major events. Things like sporting events (ie World Cup) do not score high. They think it's because everyone's consciousness is pointed in different directions. Different people root for different teams. It works better when the attention is focused to something specific. This is very similar to an idea PEAR scientists made. People can't alter the outcomes of casino games of chance by their thoughts because everyone is thinking of different numbers.

The strategy behind these "paranormal" projects represent the modern way to investigate such phenomenon. They use statistical analysis to show a deviation from the norm. James Randi with this million dollar challenge is an example of the old way of trying to 'dis'prove it -though brought to somewhat of an extreme.

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I'd like to see the raw daily output, myself. And I'd love to see this reviewed by Randi or one of the Skeptical Scientists (Martin Gardner comes to mind.) It's not that I think they're cheating, but I'd like some other input on what's going on.

For instance, is there any way that the input devices are reacting to traffic on the net?

This just occured to me:

Perhaps not on the same scale as 9-11 but shouldn't their analog samples be picking up on the energy output of Valentine's Day? (Im assuming that's how it works in theory) Either by prediction or by reaction. Imagine all the ecstatic people that are getting laid...and all the ones that are not...

Don't you think?

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
That's pretty interesting. Do you have a link perhaps?

heres that link for ya cmdrkeenkid...
noosphere.princeton.edu...

untill someone monitoriing it actually gets on the phone and says a disaster is about to happen its bunk.

so far its 2 for infinity, not nearly enough to convince me.

Originally posted by Its_True_I_Promise
...till this "incredible machine" can PREVENT such an act to happen/or give us knowledge to aid mankind to prevent a tradegy

How do you know it hasn't prevented a tragedy

Posted by jprophet420

untill someone monitoriing it actually gets on the phone and says a disaster is about to happen its bunk.

There is anomalous data, that is fact not bunk. What this data means requires further investigation. This is being done by many top scientists.

What it appears to mean is what is fascinating and propelling the study.

No unsubstantiated claims are being made, so I don't see the bunkum.

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I think this is some pretty interesting stuff especially considering that some fairly well respected scientists, researchers, and academic institutions have gotten involved.

I do have my doubts though. For instance they never seem to mention the days that their data shows something is going to happen, but doesn’t which must have occurred at some point. I would also like to see the programming behind the tech.


I found this part very interesting:

"It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.

'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam."

Can someone please elaborate on what evidence there us that time may run backward?


I am also hoping that someone can elaborate on predicting the future, and the Bible. I remember a while back someone was saying something like it says in the Bible that you have the ability to see the future, but god doesn't want you to? I don't ever recall seeing anything along those lines in the bible, but maybe someone could enlighten me?

I think this is also pretty interesting

Fo to their site @ noosphere.princeton.edu...

Click on current results, select a day, and then scroll all the way to the bottom to the chart.

I find the chart of the activity was very fascinating since it looks like it drops off somewhat during the end of the day (last 4-5 hours on a 24 hour scale) when most of the world is go to sleep, actually sleeping, waking up etc..

Originally posted by red111
this is interesting. however in my opinion i dont think it predicts. i think it reacts.

my reasoning behind this is that the article says that ordinary people can affect the random generation of the numbers.

I agree with you. There have been documented cases of humans altering the probable output of random number generators for decades. If there were a random number generator from the beginning of human history until now, there would be anamolies within the generator output whenever the course of human events came to an extreme hault/progression/novelty (Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, Industrial Revolution, Collective Effervescence of ancient Hindu rituals...etc)

Isn't the human mind great. We can find a pattern in everything. Random numbers can be converted into patterns if you look hard enough.

Did you know that the bible, constitution, bill of rights, and gettysburg address also predicted the end of the world, 9/11, The iraqi war, and last but not least the moon landing(if it happened).You just have to use the right enigma(excuse the poor spelling).

Originally posted by Maggot Minion
We can find a pattern in everything. Random numbers can be converted into patterns if you look hard enough.

Well the Random Number Generator really didnt predict a pattern but a higher occurence of a single number that mathmatically probable.

One would expect to see a very wide variation from the norm due to the Pope's recent health crises and death. Should be interesting to see...