Can My Children Be Friends With White People?

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

Is orange racism a thing?

Don't know, but people who use those descriptors can easily be just as vituperative as anyone who used disparaging names against the Obamas.

Honestly, the one I saw called names like Wookie or Gorilla the most often was MIchelle. Not sure why. I didn't like her much, but not enough to call her names like that.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

Is orange racism a thing?

Don't know, but people who use those descriptors can easily be just as vituperative as anyone who used disparaging names against the Obamas.

Honestly, the one I saw called names like Wookie or Gorilla the most often was MIchelle. Not sure why. I didn't like her much, but not enough to call her names like that.

LOL. I love that word "vituperative". But yeah I'd consider the name calling towards Obama and Michelle worse due to the racist nature of it. I hated it when people call Michelle Chewbecca and that she eats bananas all the time.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

OK. Here's my problem with that.

The names directed at Trump are just as nasty IMO, but you think the ones directed at the Obamas were worse because the Obamas were black and therefore, the names directed at them *had* to be motivated by racism. Somehow, that makes those nasty names worse than than the equally nasty names directed at Trump right now.

I don't see that as right.

Nasty names are nasty names no matter what motivated them. And if you think it's disgusting to have one person called nasty names, then it's disgusting to have another person called nasty names. It shouldn't somehow make that worse because one person is black and the other is orange.

And the flip side of that line of reasoning is that if I ever called either Obama a name for any reason ... say my disgust with Obaamcare, then you would be prone to say I was motivated out of racism solely because Obama was black, but had he been orange like Trump, you wouldn't care. Clearly then, I was only motivated by personal anger at his policy.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: infolurker

I have a black friend that's well educated and works at a university. We had a long talk a while back about "the talk" that his father gave him. It amounted to "it's a white man's world son, and you have to go along to get along". Apparently it's not an unusual thing.

White people, however, just aren't aware that black parents have been having to have "the talk" with their kids.

Things like endless protests over nothing, the instant victim card, and the ever popular race card played the instant any opinionated friction is detected, would seem to indicate "the talk" goes in one ear and right out the other with a lot of this generation...

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Spider879

But let's not pretend that many here and elsewhere didn't hate him not only for his policies but more so for his packaging.

And let's not make assumptions.

Are you saying that many here who constantly talk about Cheeto Jesus, or any of the other nasty and disparaging names used for Trump only hate him for his packaging?

I never make that mistake.

Not you personally, but quite a few do,I'm saying ppl who tend to hate black ppl project much of that hatred onto the Obamas, that have very little to do with his politics.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: infolurker

I have a black friend that's well educated and works at a university. We had a long talk a while back about "the talk" that his father gave him. It amounted to "it's a white man's world son, and you have to go along to get along". Apparently it's not an unusual thing.

White people, however, just aren't aware that black parents have been having to have "the talk" with their kids.

I'm white and I'm aware.

Stop being racist.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah I see your point. It's just that historically black people have had it bad. It's a wound that people keep pouring salt on.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Sooner or later, we all have to move on and the best way I can see for this to happen is for us all to stop teaching our kids to be suspicious based on skin color.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah I see your point. It's just that historically black people have had it bad. It's a wound that people keep pouring salt on.

The total Apache Indian population today is around 30,000.

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah I see your point. It's just that historically black people have had it bad. It's a wound that people keep pouring salt on.

The total Apache Indian population today is around 30,000.

That's terrible.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Sooner or later, we all have to move on and the best way I can see for this to happen is for us all to stop teaching our kids to be suspicious based on skin color.

We can ask the media to stop pushing the propaganda but one can only hope.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Sooner or later, we all have to move on and the best way I can see for this to happen is for us all to stop teaching our kids to be suspicious based on skin color.

We can ask the media to stop pushing the propaganda but one can only hope.

So have we been discussing propaganda? You've been busy taking the author's side.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Sooner or later, we all have to move on and the best way I can see for this to happen is for us all to stop teaching our kids to be suspicious based on skin color.

We can ask the media to stop pushing the propaganda but one can only hope.

So have we been discussing propaganda? You've been busy taking the author's side.

I've explained why. The other poster and I agreed that it's based on fear. And fear leads to irrational decisions. Intent is important. And I already said I agree with your point of view.

a reply to: Spider879

I think this is actually a tricky topic..

How do we make a distinction between perceived racism and actual racism? To many, there is no distinction, or its seen as irrelevant.

Years ago, when I first started working at a chain bookstore, I was accused of racism. The issue was, I couldn't find a specific book with the only information being it "has a blue cover."

My failure to find said book was perceived to be caused by me being a racist. I have absolutely no doubt this individual truly believed that, rather than the fact that I simply didn't have enough information to go on. I even walked them around the pertinent sections, as well as spending ~20 minutes at the computer.

Regardless, my failure was seen to be caused by racism, and ended up with calls all the way up to the district manager attempting to get me fired.

At that point, I thought it was an isolated incident, but it happened quite consistently over the years with every worker eventually experiencing something similar.

So, even without any actual racism, racism was perceived all the same. I have no doubt this confirmed (or was perpetuated by) preconceived notions that the world at large is "racist."

How does this particular situation become improved? It embeds the perception of racism even deeper, and associates any and all disagreeable situations as being caused by racism.

Even if racism was genuinely eradicated, would it be seen that way?

a reply to: Serdgiam

That's exactly what I was trying to convey. It's all about perception. And the media doesn't help with that.

a reply to: Deaf Alienimagine if somebody broke into your house and killed all of your roommates, but graciously spared your life ......
That's basically what happened with Native American reservations. these reservations are still rife with poverty, unemployment, and crime -- they're essentially little third-world islands scattered all across the U.S. and Canada.

originally posted by: madenusa
a reply to: Deaf Alienimagine if somebody broke into your house and killed all of your roommates, but graciously spared your life ......
That's basically what happened with Native American reservations. these reservations are still rife with poverty, unemployment, and crime -- they're essentially little third-world islands scattered all across the U.S. and Canada.

Yeah. It's just too awful. I don't want to think about it.

a reply to: infolurker

Of course...we are the HUMAN race...not the white one, blue one or yellow one, brown, pink or red. When we all GET THAT...we'll be far better off

a reply to: infolurker

Children are taught.

Teach them to love everyone.

Done deal.

Its a sad state we are in, I learned how to get through life from my dad this is a guy that would be considered racist by many just based off appearance and his lack of care for the SJW BS that has become so prevalent in today's society.

When I was younger and more liberal in my leanings I thought he was probably a bigot, now that I am a little older and wiser (I think) I realize nope he was a product of his environment (Pittsburgh one of the most racist places I have ever been) that lived through the Civil rights era learned and grew from it.

He taught me to never judge people by their skin color, but by their actions... if they treat you with respect you give them respect, they treat you like trash well now you know not to waste anymore time on them, because they are not worth the time or effort. This was his approach to every man and women he ever met, white, black, brown whatever looking back some people he kicked to the curb I can now see why he did.

People like this author and several people in this thread would judge my dad (A much better man than I am) without ever bothering to get to know him purely because he is a white guy that likes to hunt and fish.

Its funny as I type this some people I have not thought of in decades are popping into my head to help prove how stupid I was as a young man.

Somehow my old man became friends with a mexican family that came through with the picking season and the father took advantage of a program to get citizenship, my dad used to spend friday nights over at his place playing poker the only white guy in a house full of mexicans, and my dumb Arse thought he was a bigot.

Youth really is wasted on the young.