BREAKING: Students hurt in French car attack near Toulouse

originally posted by: Jefferton
So, we don't even wait for proof anymore?

Jumping to conclusions, nothing bad ever came from that...

ATS hasn’t waited for proof for sometime now, it’s quite the trend.

a reply to: Painterz


Agreed, same thing as guns - the total number killed pale in comparison to fast food, automobiles and beer/cigs.

a reply to: Painterz

On one hand, it makes a good point. On the other, it's not necessarily the size of the attacks that can cause the psychic damage, but the ongoing nature of them. One attack that causes 300 deaths is gotten over in a certain period of time. But 60 attacks spread throughout the year causing 300 deaths will make it difficult to recover emotionally.

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
Could also be a nationalist background. Blagnac is home to Toulouse Blagnac International airport. Victims are Chinese. France sold a 49% stake of the airport to a Chinese company in December 2014.

Yea not sure why this is being ignored. The victims are all Chinese, and as of right now we don't know who the driver is or who was targeting, only that it was "on purpose."

Entirely possible that it was a nationalist targeting Chinese for some reason. Which, by acknowledging, is not the same as saying "it definitely can't be a Muslim."

The vehicle accelerated as the students crossed a road, the interior ministry said. The driver has a history of mental illness, the interior ministry said in a statement. The incident doesn't initially appear to be related to terrorism, the interior ministry said. Developing story - more to come

a reply to: Br34kingp01nt

Also:

Depuis 2015, le Campus IGS de Blagnac, qui accueille un millier d'étudiants, a ouvert un MBA franco-chinois. "Une étude de marché que nous avons commandée auprès d'un cabinet d'experts chinois a décelé des besoins spécifiques de formation dans ce pays. L'un en communication digitale et l'autre en oeno-tourisme. Ils font écho à deux secteurs en plein boom en Chine», confiait à l'époque à la Dépêche Dominique Vergez, directrice adjointe de l'ICD (Institut international du commerce et du développement) l'une des écoles du site. Ce MBA ouverte en 2014, connait un franc-succès puisque l'école accueille près d'une centaine d'étudiants chinois cette année. 

L'école a également ouvert un campus à Shanghai l'an dernier

L'inquiétant profil de l'homme qui a volontairement foncé sur un groupe d'étudiants à Blagnac

Google Translate:

Since 2015, the Campus IGS Blagnac, which hosts a thousand students, opened a Franco-Chinese MBA. "A market study that we commissioned from a Chinese firm of experts identified specific training needs in this country, one in digital communication and the other in oeno-tourism, which echo two sectors. booming in China, "said at the time the Dépêche Dominique Vergez, deputy director of the ICD (International Institute of Trade and Development) one of the schools of the site.This MBA opened in 2014, knows a franc -success since the school welcomes nearly a hundred Chinese students this year.

The school also opened a campus in Shanghai last year.

a reply to: Br34kingp01nt

Turns out the guy was schizophrenic and said he heard voices telling him to hurt someone and that it was for revenge

I don't have any input to offer that I strongly believe in as to how to prevent these things from happening or why these things happen, but I do want to say I'll be praying for those hurt and their friends and families during this time.

For someone who doesn't go to church, or believe in Catholicism as I was taught it growing up, I sure have found myself praying for others a lot.

-Alee

originally posted by: Jefferton
So, we don't even wait for proof anymore?

Jumping to conclusions, nothing bad ever came from that...

Have you just returned to ATS after a long time away?

a reply to: Br34kingp01nt

A lot of what you said can be turned right around about the coalition forces and the US military going into the middle east causing millions of deaths. Just saying.

i think the perp had mental health issues or was under a lot of stress and might have been brainwashed by government operatives and was pushed to the edge to help push an agenda ....





kidding, it's another open shut case of terrorism. no further inquisition into anything is required.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Painterz


Agreed, same thing as guns - the total number killed pale in comparison to fast food, automobiles and beer/cigs.

No one forces people to eat fast food or smoke or drink.
Cars kill. Even pedestrians. So one out of your three is not a personal choice.

a reply to: Shamrock6


Agreed, it is always important to wait for the facts/evidence to come out before jumping to conclusions

So you/MindBody are saying that it may have been an attack targeting Chinese people? I'm wondering if someone was disgruntled about the sale of a large stake in that airport.

a reply to: the owlbear


But carrying a gun/wearing body armor is also a personal choice to avoid negative consequences of someone else's right. No one forces others to use guns illegally, either.

For instance, we wear seatbelts and use airbags/speed limits/driver licensing to avoid negative consequences of vehicular accidents/cell phones. There are also barriers to prevent cars from hitting pedestrians in certain locations.

If someone wants to avoid the potential pitfalls of someone illegally exploiting their 2A rights, why not simply wear armor or carry a weapon yourself? Body armor does indeed save lives, and make a difference when someone is shooting at you. As does having a firearm in your possession, when you know how to properly use it and engage a threat.

A major benefit of the second amendment is your ability to prevent any entity from forcing its will upon you.

a reply to: JBurns

So everyone should be driving an armored vehicle, wearing body armor, packing a side arm, and slung with a semi - auto weapon?
Are you being sarcastic or am I reading something from someone who lives in a twightlight world?
This isn't the middle ages where 60% of the population carried swords and were always on edge. Not sure what society you live in, but I can walk freely in my neighborhoods without worrying about everyone who walks by me.
you want a world living in fear, not free.

What I don't understand is people who attack all individuals of the Muslim faith. Mainstream Muslims follow their religion as closely as most other mainstream practicioners of a given religion. Yeah, they may follow the basic tenants and practices, but total devout following and adherence is pretty rare.

Total orthodoxy is usually limited to 1) extremely dedicated & wholesome followers with good intentions, 2) extremists seeking to exploit certain aspects of the religion to justify their violence/actions.

A majority of Muslims do not hang on every word in the Quran. As with anything, the actions of an extremist minority should never reflect on the mainstream majority. For every Muslim you point to that has engaged in acts of terrorism/death cultism/whatever else they are frequently accused of, there are an arbitrarily large number that do not engage in those actions.

Extremists may use certain aspects of their religion as an excuse to commit violence, but most mainstream followers would simply ignore that part or treat it is a story/example/whatever and leave it at that. But attacking an entire religion for the actions of a few exploitative/deranged terrorists isn't right.

a reply to: strongfp


I am suggesting people who are afraid of being impacted by an exceptionally rare occurrence (5.4 murders/100,000 people) should take protective measures instead of translating their fear into restrictive kneejerk legislation.

Your chances of being murdered (by any means, including but not limited to a gun related murder) are 5.4/100000 which is very, very, VERY low. However, if you're still scared then yes you should acquire armor and carry a weapon. I carry a weapon for my own protecting (and armor) knowing these very statistics - for the sole purpose of not becoming a victim/one of those statistics myself.

To me, the extra weight of a firearm/armor is worth the knowledge that I will never be a helpless victim. If Pythagoras calls my statistically unlikely number and a deadly threat presents itself, I want to have every advantage possible in stopping that threat.

Your irrational fear (5.4/100,000 is nothing) shouldn't impact my Constitutional right.

And BTW, there is nothing wrong with being alert and situationally aware (on edge, as you say). This ensures I present a hardened target to a potential criminal, and also increases the chances I'll see them before they can ambush me. In that instance, I have a significant tactical advantage over the crim. This means if they persist and present a deadly threat to me, it won't end well for them.

a reply to: strongfp


By the way, I just saw you lived in Canada. Although Canada has a murder rate lower than the United States, it isn't by much.

Canada is ~2.7/100,000 murdered, while we are 5.4/100,000. Both are exceptionally good numbers, whereas places like Honduras have murder rates of 90/100,000 people (far higher than the US/Canada).

Thing is that Canada has significantly stricter gun laws than the US, and it has made little difference in overall deaths.

a reply to: JBurns

Yea and in the last 10 years we have had only 22 deaths from mass shootings.
I wonder why.

a reply to: Shamrock6

It shouldn't be ignored.

To automatically jump to Islamic fundamentalists is not real smart. ...we notice that the officials haven't automatically jumped to that conclusion. Unlike some herein.

It may indeed turn out to be Islamic terror, but it might not be, either.

We'd do well to actually wait to find out the facts first. Then make baseless accusations about the whole of a population based on the actions of a minority.

Just for comparison:

The murder rate in the US is 5.4/100,000 people

Heart disease death rate is 196/100,000

Cancer death rate is 185/100,000

Drug overdoses are 20/100,000

Car accidents are 11.5/100,000

Heart disease killed 633,842 people in 2016
Cancer killed 595,930 people in 2016
Chronic lower respiratory diseases killed 155,041 in 2016
Suicide claimed 44,193 lives in 2016

Out of all the numbers listed above, waving a magic wand to remove all guns would've saved the LEAST number lives.



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