Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14

a reply to: TheRedneck

That's what I heard during the press conference which made me very happy. Screw the analysis and voodoo crap. Just scientifically tested age of the ink. There will be no doubt after that test if it was written 40 years ago or 4 months ago.

Knowing request has been officially made to conduct an analysis which in this case is a very reasonable action then Nelson and her legal representation should have no problem so long as they have confidence in their evidence.

Balls in their court.

a reply to: carewemust

I thought you would be happy about that. When I heard the lawyer mention it, I immediately thought of your post.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: Phage

So what's that got to do with writing down a restaurant name correctly.

Oh, he did spell it right - someone looked it up in the old newspapers:

More evidence that he really did write it, as it's since dropped the 'e' from the name.

a reply to: Phoenix

I'm sure they will comply... but they only have to stall that compliance for a month. Once the election is over, how much do you want to bet everything will be dropped?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: TheRedneck

Is this the agreed upon address of Old Hickory Restaurant?

1715 US Highway 431 South in Gadsden, Alabama 35905-7104

If it is........

Map quest the addy, satellite view, zoom and tell me where the back parking lot is because I see....none, nada, zilch.

No:

The restaurant was real, and it was on Meighan Boulevard. Gadsden city directories at the Glencoe Public Library list it at 305 Meighan Boulevard in 1978 and 307 Meighan Boulevard in 1980. A January 1978 ad in the Gadsden Times placed it at 207 Meighan. By the mid-1980s, the restaurant is no longer mentioned in directories.

It’s unclear why those addresses vary, but all would place the restaurant in front of plenty of Gadsden drivers. Meighan is the city’s main drag, and the Hickory House was near the base of one of the city’s biggest landmarks, the bridge over the Coosa River. It’s less than a mile from the Goodyear tire plant that was the city’s main employer at the time on the side of the river informally known as East Gadsden.

I suppose it no longer exists, rather than changing the name.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Greven

There is that, but you've seen in this thread how that would be considered 'treason' warranting anyone voting for his expulsion to be executed:

Yes, I said that and I stand by it. I wish you had bolded it... I wish I had bolded it.

Denial of the results of a free election is treason.

TheRedneck

It's funny that you respond to this, and not my post immediately following it.

I suppose you've already made up your mind, and evidence to the contrary only reinforces your belief.

It's a common problem.

a reply to: Greven

No, I didn't respond because I didn't consider that post as deserving of a response.

Eh, that's a kind of illogical statement on my part, because most of the posts I have responded to aren't deserving of a response...

TheRedneck

a reply to: Phoenix

Is this the agreed upon address of Old Hickory Restaurant?

1715 US Highway 431 South in Gadsden, Alabama 35905-7104

If it is........

Map quest the addy, satellite view, zoom and tell me where the back parking lot is because I see....none, nada, zilch.

I'm sorry; in the confusion I missed your post.

That's the address I got, but it seems to coincide with the city street address Greven gives. Cities sometimes change addresses when they grow; my own address changed drastically when they installed the E911 system here. My google map search brought up the same results you did. It's quite possible it has moved or closed down, but it did exist. I actually remember hearing about it when I was younger. I hear they had some pretty good dead pig there.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Greven

No, I didn't respond because I didn't consider that post as deserving of a response.

Eh, that's a kind of illogical statement on my part, because most of the posts I have responded to aren't deserving of a response...

TheRedneck

Ah yes, better to ignore Roy Moore himself affirming that he dated teenagers while in his thirties.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Phoenix

I'm sure they will comply... but they only have to stall that compliance for a month. Once the election is over, how much do you want to bet everything will be dropped?

TheRedneck

Heard an astonished Shepherd Smith (Fox News) cite a new poll that Roy Moore is trailing the Democrat by 12 points. Panic Time for Republicans? Their Senate majority is razor-thin as it is.

So he has announced that the signature in the yearbook is from his divorce papers from the past including the paralegal's initials...If this is true this would throw more focus on it being more political attack than anything else.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
So he has announced that the signature in the yearbook is from his divorce papers from the past including the paralegal's initials...If this is true this would throw more focus on it being more political attack than anything else.

That's a pretty funny thing he's done, flip-flopping on knowing Beverly Young Nelson:

Moore spoke for a couple of minutes with reporters and took no questions. His wife, Kayla, also made a brief statement.

"I can tell you without hesitation this is absolutely false," Moore told reporters. "I never did what she said I did. I don't even know the woman. I don't know anything about her."

At a press conference in New York on Monday, Beverly Young Nelson alleged she was sexually assaulted by Moore in December 1977 when she was 16 years old and he was 30.

Nelson produced a high school yearbook that she said Moore signed about a week before she said the assault occurred in Moore's car in the parking lot of a restaurant where she worked and he frequently visited.

Strange that his memory was jogged in his lawyer's scenario - the idea that the signature was a forgery:

"Is it genuine? Or a fraud?" Jauregui said, urging the public to compare the yearbook against Moore's handwriting themselves. "Judge Moore says there's no way in the world that that's his handwriting … I'm asking you all to take a look and make a judgment."

Jauregui also said that despite Nelson's statements that she had never had contact with Moore since the alleged incident, she actually had made contact with him — when she filed a divorce action against her husband in 1999.

The judge who signed the document was Moore, Jauregui said, adding that the "D.A." initials displayed in the yearbook after Moore's signature did not signify "district attorney," as many had assumed.

"Judge Moore looked at that D.A. after that signature," Jauregui said. "No, he wasn't, he was the assistant district attorney." He added that Moore's assistant when he was presiding over Nelson's divorce proceedings was named Delver Adams, who typically stamped his initials on court filings.

How strange. Moore said he never knew her, yet here he is claiming to have been a judge over her divorce proceedings.

Whoops. Gonna tie your tongue in knots at this rate, Judge.

a reply to: Greven

That's a pretty funny thing he's done, flip-flopping on knowing Beverly Young Nelson:

Not really. I used to run a house plan service. I have sat down and worked out design details on hundreds, possibly thousands, of homes with couples. Each encounter was an extended face-to-face sit-down, and each couple typically had two, three, or sometimes seven or eight of such encounters.

Tell me a name of most of them today and I would respond "Who's that?"

A judge will preside over hundreds of divorce cases, and probably hundreds of criminal or civil cases. Does he 'know' every single plaintiff and defendant that comes before him? No. He might - might, mind you - remember a few, but that's all.

If the signature is forged, as I firmly believe it is, then we have no proof that Roy Moore ever knew the girl or had contact with her outside of presiding at her divorce. That's not knowing someone. However, he is accused of knowing her back in the 70s and then never seeing her again, and we KNOW that is simply not true from court records.

Whoops. Gonna tie your tongue in knots at this rate, Judge.

Whoops. Gonna tie your tongue in knots, Greven.

TheRedneck

a reply to: carewemust

Heard an astonished Shepherd Smith (Fox News) cite a new poll that Roy Moore is trailing the Democrat by 12 points. Panic Time for Republicans? Their Senate majority is razor-thin as it is.

Tomorrow someone will likely come out with a pol that says Donald Duck is ahead by 9 points. That's what polls do.

Yesterday he was either in a dead heat or had a 6-point lead. I go by what I hear; it's usually pretty accurate. And what I hear now is that Moore will win easily. The liberal belt (Montgomery county and a bit east-west) will go for Jones. Mobile may go slightly for Jones, and so might Birmingham. But the rest of the state will go solid Moore.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Greven

Here's an undoctored color image from getty image the source for CNN which busted the narrative by publishing an undoctored original color photo while most others used B&W image or doctored color.

Doesn't take but a glance to see ink difference.

Getty images

Blogs can't link to have people noting many media published images are doctored to remove color difference and are leaving artifacts in doing so.

Doesn't really matter if Moore remembers her or not, what matters is likely hood she used her divorce documents as forgery guide (or someone with access) and forged yearbook.

Unbeknownst to forger divorce documents signed by Roy's secretary hence initials "DA"

Forger must have thought DA was District Attorney which Roy was not ha-ha jokes on them but that's what malfeasance usually gets tripped up on - seemingly minor details.

a reply to: TheRedneck
Weaselly.

Here's another one for ya - why do you suppose nobody spoke up before?
"It's because somebody asked," she said. "If anybody had asked, we would have told it. No one asked."

Once someone did, the floodgates opened. There are over thirty different accounts at this point saying the same stuff.

a reply to: Phoenix
Recall there is a newspaper clipping of the "Olde" BBQ place. The signature also uses "Olde" even though few people recall it existing, and it's been out of business for several decades.

Quite a talented forgery to get such a detail right.

Question for you: what proof do you have of Moore's / Moore's lawyer's claims about the "DA" - or are you just taking them at their word?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Interesting but hard to nail down is 207 E Meighan which looks to be old and small strip center with 5 or so store fronts, if Olde Hickory Bbq located one of those storefronts - all parking is to front and it's East Gadsden as noted in other post.

Strip center certainly looks correct vintage in construction.

Unfortunately I don't know any locals from that time period to ask about location.

All the other addys had newer building since timeframe.

a reply to: Phoenix

This is weird... all this attention around a street I drove down a week ago... anyway...

I wouldn't put much faith in the present appearance of the area. Gadsden has had growing pains for quite some time. The major highways in it (431, 11, 278) have always been a little like a sailor's knot, and when I-59 came through, along with I-759... well, it's a freakin' mess. The town has simply grown beyond how it was designed.

I tend to think the 207 address was a typo. More than likely the 305/307 was the same place. Today it's a medical center, but that medical center probably has no resemblance to the Old(e) Hickory House. Notice how 4th stops short of intersecting with 431? That's actually not uncommon around here. It usually results when a two- or three-lane road becomes a highway, and they need to remove an intersection to allow for heavier traffic flow. I don't know how common it is in other areas.

The original building was likely torn down because it wound up being too close to the road when the road was widened. The widening likely took a large part of the front parking lot, leaving the building unsuitable for a thriving business in need of parking, and the owners likely either moved it or sold out. It happens. The medical center looks pretty new, probably built from scratch.

If I had to guess, the building was forward of where the building is today, the front parking lot extended into the now-divided highway, and the rear parking lot was where the building now is.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Greven

I guess you must've found the getty image link most inconvenient and chose not to discuss.

Yes I do take Moore Attorney at his word about "DA" being secretary intials when signing on behalf of Moore because such a fact misrepresented would be all to easy to discredit factually - that no one has says something.

Certainly has much more weight than inking documents in two differing colors, how stupid.