(astrology the 4 ways of god

a reply to: makalit

Look, it's nice you're learning stuff, but are you gonna drag us all thru it insisting we see it from your perspective?

Cause that ain't happening.
Just cause it's "new to you" doesn't mean it's new to everyone. The explanation of the Four Elements was generic an kind of a overall view, I guess? But Maybe your time would be better spent reading the older threads here to get a baseline of whats already been covered.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Loads of threads on astrology, pages of them in fact.

a reply to: makalit

Asstrology?

They can't even make up their minds about how many constellations are in the plane of the ecliptic.

Ophiuchus (astrology) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a reply to: makalit

Astrology is not the belief that there are only only four basic elements.

Astrology is the belief that the configuration of astronomical objects, particularly in the plane of the ecliptic, portends situations on Earth.

Science has told us that there are many more than four elements (about 118 stable elements at present and more that vanish immediately after creation).

... and I'm pretty sure that God is not limited to "4 ways". Perhaps you are also trying to tie in the "Four Humors" of ancient Greek & Roman medicine. Four temperaments From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (A true melange of antiquated rubbish).

It sounds like you have syncreted several antiquated beliefs without rational evaluation.

i'm someone already learned in astro. all your suspicions can be answered. my message had a point

curious if anyone can say what is the earth/air dominant perception of a god.


already said the one i'm sick of which is 'forces' outside of ourself dictating it all and guiding

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: makalit

Asstrology?

*asstrollohgay

originally posted by: makalit
i'm someone already learned in astro. all your suspicions can be answered. my message had a point

curious if anyone can say what is the earth/air dominant perception of a god.

already said the one i'm sick of which is 'forces' outside of ourself dictating it all and guiding

I too am learned in Astrology - but have concluded that it's bunk.

originally posted by: chr0naut

... and I'm pretty sure that God is not limited to "4 ways".

It sounds like you have syncreted several antiquated beliefs without rational evaluation.

that's a cool thing to know is that even though we have these glasses of elements we can't get rid of, god is something even beyond them (perception)

and no to the other thing u want

originally posted by: makalit

originally posted by: chr0naut

... and I'm pretty sure that God is not limited to "4 ways".

It sounds like you have syncreted several antiquated beliefs without rational evaluation.

that's a cool thing to know is that even though we have these glasses of elements we can't get rid of, god is something even beyond them (perception)

I'm sure we could empty out those glasses of elements.

... and the fact that God may have attributes beyond our perception does not support what you said.

You are conflating different things as if somehow that lent proof, or philosophic support, to your thesis.

looks like i might have to figure this out myself

everyone knows water is the sign of spirituality which is kin to god.
why? well its mixture of connectivity with things beyond yourself. negative signs deal with outside reality, positive signs inside reality.
this could lead any water dominant person to eventually be aware of connectivity, synchronisities, and thus the forces.
earth is exactly opposite to water. it's the same but inversion.
it's not about connectivity, but concrete-ness. the stable physical land mass.

the question arises because apparently only water signs conceive an idea of god.
if god is there but he's not just guidement/force. this is just 1/4 of the view.
then we can say that he's the physicality required for anything to be. what i mean is a water sign won't care too much for the physicality, they know it's there, but whats *truly* important for them is the forces. but truly, this is just half the equation, just like physicality is a half earth will only mention, and not care for the forces. and like i said *true* god is something beyond all 4 elemental perceptions.

to earth this raw barren physicality is the MUST HAVE for any plane to walk. you can't have a walker without a plane.
the raw physicality of reality truly is a god, that should be worshipped. for it is the great harvester, the den. you can ignore the forces because to earth, there's just the god of physicality, the home bringer.

i think i had somewhat of an epiphany there. for what earth is. now i already explained fire as feeling, you feel good to be active and experience. it's the action without thought. surely existence loves to feel

water is like intention
planning
manipulation, guiding to be correct

next is air that i got to figure out.

a reply to: makalit

Please just stop. I know astrology... and this ain't it. The elements are important but they are only one part of the equation. It is impossible to define anyone by their dominant elements -- especially because not every chart will have a dominant element. And you don't even have the definitions of each element correct. Water feels... Fire acts... Air thinks... Earth builds.

One would also have to consider the modality of each fire sign -- Cardinal, Fixed, or Mutable -- to understand how those energies would be manifested. The expressions of Cardinal Aries will vary from the expressions of Fixed Leo and both will vary from the expressions of Mutable Sagittarius. And as you noted, the house will play into it, with the variances of the sign/element/modality of the natural house in relation to the natal chart designation. And that doesn't even take into account the specific subtleties of stelliums, retrograde planets, and intercepted houses/signs, etc.

I'm double-fire in the natural houses of fire: Aries sun and Leo ascendant... I have a whole lot of fire in my chart, eh? But that's not the whole equation. Throw in Uranus (air) rising opposite Moon (water) conjunct Jupiter (fire), and Venus (air AND earth) conjunct my sun, and now we have to consider ALL the astrological elements and how they complement/balance each other or how they oppose/challenge each other. Yes, fire is the dominant element, representing planets/signs/houses, but the elements of the planets in aspect are also important or they wouldn't be there!

Further, everyone has Neptune -- the planet of spirituality, or "God" -- in their chart. EVERYONE! So, in fact, everyone has access to knowledge of spirit and "God" no matter what sign or house or element Neptune is found in. How they choose to express this -- including not expressing it at all -- is up to them, and will be a result of both nature and nurture in their very specific experiences.

But most important of all, your rude insults to other posters was entirely uncalled for and inappropriate in any situation, but especially in this situation because it comes from a very ugly combination of ignorance and arrogance about the subject at hand. And it says far more about you than those you treated so rudely. So please just stop.

You owe them a big fat apology.

i guess you might think your post is pointless when you know that i wasn't saying asstrollogay as an insult, just going along with whatever joke

about 95% of mainstream astrology goes along with planets somehow being 1 of the 4 elements which i disagree
and you might not be as fire as you think. the asc is not as important as most think as 4 signs fall on each side of the horizon, the asc is just the first house energy which rules the face. theres multiple overlapping house systems that i know of, all of them existing, your sun could be a 8th or 10th house sun for example. i know where the boundaries are for the most part. like i said i'm looking for people who have example sun in an air sign in an air house to tell me their perception of a god. it's well known that water is the sign of spirituality and pisces is the sign of religion.

a reply to: Boadicea

THANK YOU!!!!!
Info much needed here.

a reply to: Caver78

sure i could do a mini lecture. figured when someone posts an astrology post it's for those who already were a bit knowing about it to participate in

a reply to: makalit

If you didn't know it before, then your first clue that you are indeed out of your element (see what I did there?) is not having the integrity or courage of your convictions to actually reply to me and give me a fair chance to respond. Nope. You took the coward's way out.

about 95% of mainstream astrology goes along with planets somehow being 1 of the 4 elements...

That doesn't even make sense, and I have never heard of any astrologer who thinks planets are elements. Each have their own very specific functions in the chart. All planets are associated with a particular element, in the natural chart and in the natal chart, but no astrologer thinks they are one and the same. Pfft.

...and you might not be as fire as you think. the asc is not as important as most think as 4 signs fall on each side of the horizon, the asc is just the first house energy which rules the face.

More very inaccurate and misguided assumptions. It is what it is. I neither quantified nor qualified the influence of the fire signs nor the Ascendant alone. In fact, I very specifically said that everything had to be considered in combination with other pertinent factors, of which I named a few.

And, no, four signs do not fall on each side of the horizon in the natural wheel; and only very rarely in a chart with intercepted houses in particular house systems.

Further, the first house rules the entire physical body in accordance with our presentation to and approach to the physical world around us. And Aries (the natural sign of the first house) specifically rules the head -- including the face.

Please, again, just stop. You do not know whereof you speak. And it is exactly this kind of gibberish that gives this noble art and science a bad name.

sorry you are not much different than inhale exhale.
just because only angry people post at me don't let the impression get in that they are right. cause you don't know much.

a reply to: Caver78

You're welcome!

I'm glad someone appreciates it

why are you begging me to stop? cause you think i'm over confident with the wrong info?
well that's not how you learn.
i told other dude to stop cause i actually had optimism for this thread for those who already knew a bit about astrology. it was interesting to me.

so a planet is associated with an element like air, but it's not the exact same as being an air sign? do you know what signs are? they are sections of the zodiac, and in no way can a planet be related to it.
they are 2 completely different things. so you can be neptunian, but that doesn't equal water. A planet's effect is 1, the sign it falls in is another. So in no way does being neptunian attribute the qualities of focusing on things outside yourself, connecting to people, feeling energy, etc. it's effect alone is a bit similar, but not quantitive to water. therefore perspectives of water can only be found by planets falling in water signs.

how can you claim 4 signs do not fall on the horizon? The horizon is 360 degrees around. you don't know if the signs are 5 degrees wide in the sky or 60. If they indeed are 60 degrees or more than 4 signs at least do fall on the horizon. the ascendant has very little significance when determining your energy dominant, which mostly is determined by the sun house(s). your use of "pffft" and "coward" show more about you than me. i didn't even insult anyone besides guy who insinuated i was nuts as 'wtf are you on about' is usually something middle aged men say to crazy women.

in no way does the first house represent the body. it's the exact same as aries, the first wedge of 12, and only rules the head.

a reply to: Boadicea

have you been to linda-goodman.com? cause that's the somewhat popular astro site i was banned from.
about 90% of people say the same things as you

and here i am just palming my face over and over at how rediculous their logic really is.

oh yeah another flame that i wanted to get out that i forgot is you are just getting mad because you are finding someone who is proving what you believed to be wrong. usually anger stems


this is a really good topic tbh.
most define god as forces outside ourselves dictating everything. water is usually the element to attune to this.
however i won't let you limit god to just spiritual forces. no no.
what i'm doing is opening a pandoras box that each element has a version of god.
most people don't get past that water is the sign of god. no no.
i'm reaching out. further. each element has it.

now i need to figure out a way to get some more wine.