Astronomers struggle to explain ‘zombie star’ that keeps exploding but won’t die

a reply to: DBCowboy

Well the universe is rather a large place, fact of the matter is that we probably don't have, or even will have, the mental capacity to discern the intricacies of the cosmos.

I like the white hole idea all the same. Now that really would be a find to rival just about anything else we have yet to conceive.

And i agree it does indeed seem to contradict our understanding of the laws of thermodynamics, form our limited perspective that is.

Time travel, it keeps exploding into the future.

I wonder if the Electric Universe theories have a valid explanation for this phenomena?

Maybe in a short trip into the future will show us laughing at our current 'space' theories.

Main Stream Academia will surely be open and accepting to new ideas, even if they challenge the current model.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: seasonal

Doesn't this violate a law of thermodynamics?

No, only my missus can do that!

BTW, Mary Anne MacLeod...she's Scotch, at least that's what her little boy called her.

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Electric Supernovae

Both conventional and electric supernovae are exploding stars. But what constitutes a star and what constitutes an explosion are quite different in each case.

In the conventional view, a supernova is an exploding star. Because gravity is the only force available to explain the organization of matter into stars, stars are isolated and autonomous objects that must get the energy they radiate from internal sources.
The explosive release of abnormal amounts of energy in a supernova must come from the same (or similar) internal sources. When telescopes observe high-energy radiation and fast-moving particles, the cause can only be heating and acceleration by shock waves. The intensities required must demolish the star.
These are constraints imposed by theory, not empirical limits from observing actual supernovae.

Because the power comes from the circuit, the radiation and “wind” of an electric star are the effects of the arc discharges that make up the corona, chromosphere and photosphere. Fluctuations in these discharges generate “double layers” (DLs), which can become unstable and explode into flares and coronal mass ejections (CMEs).

This phenomena only stumps mainstream.

Time for a new era.

a reply to: seasonal

Maybe it is not a Star & requires different classification?

Interesting find

Aliens of course.

a reply to: apydomis

Feels like there is lots out there not observed by this planets observation equipment.
It could just be a new celestial object not fully understood.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Very true, we do not know it all.

The flashing is a Gem Hadar invasion thru the wormhole, from the Gamma Quadrant.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
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Electric Supernovae

Both conventional and electric supernovae are exploding stars. But what constitutes a star and what constitutes an explosion are quite different in each case.

In the conventional view, a supernova is an exploding star. Because gravity is the only force available to explain the organization of matter into stars, stars are isolated and autonomous objects that must get the energy they radiate from internal sources.
The explosive release of abnormal amounts of energy in a supernova must come from the same (or similar) internal sources. When telescopes observe high-energy radiation and fast-moving particles, the cause can only be heating and acceleration by shock waves. The intensities required must demolish the star.
These are constraints imposed by theory, not empirical limits from observing actual supernovae.

Because the power comes from the circuit, the radiation and “wind” of an electric star are the effects of the arc discharges that make up the corona, chromosphere and photosphere. Fluctuations in these discharges generate “double layers” (DLs), which can become unstable and explode into flares and coronal mass ejections (CMEs).

This phenomena only stumps mainstream.

Time for a new era.

Interesting. Are these flares and coronal mass ejections large enough to be seen several light years away and measure a +50% of the stars normal brightness?

My guess is perhaps the star encountered another solar system and “consumed” a planet sized body in 1954 then another in 2014.

a reply to: Plotus


This sort of discovery is one of the reasons I love science, and is one of the reasons that astronomers love their field of study. The more we know about any given subject, the more questions get raised. There is never a point in time, when discovery and investigation are ones hobby or profession, in which one might become bored through lack of something fascinating to get ones teeth into.

From what has been posited already on the subject of zombie stars, it is perfectly probable that this star does indeed have some kind of companion. But beyond that its difficult to say how the mechanism by which it keeps exploding, works. It could be that its companion is being fed off of, that energy released by the companion star is being sapped off, concentrated by the remaining mass of the zombie, and then flung out. But its very hard to say for sure, because we have really only been considering the possibilities presented by this type of object, for about twelve or so years, if my small researches are anything to go by.

Amazing stuff.

Or it can be aliens throwing weapons . We see the weapons exploding and not the star. Like big world destroying weapons.

There could be a small black hole sucking all the energy of the explosion, and reverting the stars cycle, or someone is purposly erupting the star to power someting etc.

gravity and energy in an battle....no winner yet...

In September of 2014, the survey covered an area of sky that it had not imaged in 100 days, and it found a telltale brightening. By January, followup observations of the event (termed iPTF14hls) showed that its luminosity was similar to that at its first discovery and dominated by hydrogen emissions. This led to its classification as a Type-IIp supernova. A Type-IIp's steady production of light, which typically lasts 100 days, is caused by ionized hydrogen cooling off enough to recombine with electrons, emitting light at a specific wavelength in the process. The critical temperature is typically reached at a set distance from the site of the explosion, meaning there's a steady flow of debris through this point that keeps things lit for 100 days.

Before too long, however, it became clear that this wasn't what was happening with iPTF14hls, which remained bright well past the 100-day mark. In fact, by the time a general dimming was apparent, it was 600 days after the supernova was first spotted. Obviously, that's hard to explain by a steady flow of debris spreading out and cooling off.

Good read at Arstechnica - Scientists on new supernova: WTF have we been looking at?

Dark matter/energy?? Antimatter?? A star ate a neutron star??

The iron production is really strange! Usually, all the fuel gets gobbled up, it hurls out massive amount of particles (hydrogen), then slowly (the 100 days part), cools back down. 600 days is unheard of!

For some reason it reminds me of Pac-man!!

What if there were a black hole at the center of the star - perhaps absorbed from a star collision. Now the extreme gravity of the black hole pulls in fuel for the star. It does try and go supernova, but the strong gravitational field pulls it back together again.

a reply to: stormcell

Yup. As we know sometimes stars colaps and turn black holes. Some do it extremely quietly.

So what if the start turns into a black hole AND explodes at the same time. We know some stars skip the exploding step.

If in its core, a really small tiny black hole has appeared, and at the same time the star exploded, it could have happened exactly like you are saying.

i'm with... a reply to: Alien Abduct

since exploding stars/Novas or super Novas are reknown for spewing out/ ejecting outward....all the particles, molecules of elements, the stuff that planets are made of
Exploding Stars do not reconstitute themselves with all the higher order elements they produced in their Hot Crucible of Nuclear Reaction/Atomic explosions

Unless that weird Star did exactly that... exploded then captured all It's former mass (less the explosion of light)
and other matter got caught up in the 60 year expansion-contraction

otherwise I would guess that science is looking at a target Star which replaced the old, already exploded Star...
more than likely in a Star Nursery in a Nebula of condensing clouds of gas


they might be seeing the primal birth of a premature (future) Black Hole after 3 or so explosions with a massive source of readily available material to once again grow into a bigger 'Star' which then explodes both inward & outward....
~~ the inward core serves to become the Black Hole, the outward material becomes the event-horizon, resulting in a dark Saturn shaped object having a glowing ring that can be seen in the visual spectrum (but no more outward explosions as everything then collapses/exploded inwards ? ?