Germany to offer ‘third gender’ option from birth

How embarrasing my mom's side of the family is probably rolling in their graves,my great grand parents came here from Germany,no shame left there

this is a problem of symantics. It is not really that there is a third gender, more like a third option to type on the BS. One that serves as a place holder and represents that this person may ask for medical and psychological help at some point. Possibly shortly after birth if their condition warrants it. This is not a third gender and to represent it that way is causing confusion with the actual issue. I'm guessing that this is not a new issue and that this has been going on for a long time. It would be interesting to see if there has been an increase in cases where a child is born with atypical genitalia in recent years.


The conflation by the author can be clearly be seen in the first sentence in the article that the OP quoted. Where it has "third gender" in quotation marks followed by the rest of the sentence - option on birth certificates- to finish the thought.

a reply to: CaptainBeno

You probably HAVE met someone who is, or was at birth, intersex.

Its actually more common than people think, about one in every 1500 to 2000 babies is born with such an atypical arrangement in their nether regions, that a sex differentiation specialist has to be called in. But that does not quite tell the whole story, because many intersex situations involve differences of an internal nature, either regarding the inner workings of the reproductive organs, not easily noted from outside the body, or by way of chemical differences, hormonal differences which are impossible to see with the naked eye, but necessarily create very different physiological situations in people. So, for example, there might well be a penis on the baby, but there may also be chemical differences between this child and a typical baby boy, which make it impossible to clearly state that the child is male and has male body chemistry.

These more subtle expressions of the intersex situation, are harder to diagnose of course.

So its actually probable that the numbers of persons born with characteristics familiar to both female and male, is actually a fair bit higher than that one in 1500 or 2000 than I mentioned above, because ambiguous genitalia is only one intersex condition, and the most physically obvious at birth. In reality, its about as common as red hair is, in terms of how many babies are born with some expression of intersex traits.

a reply to: Woodcarver

There are babies who are born intersex. It's not all too common but it is usually somewhere in the one in a few thousand range. Klinefelter syndrome occurs when a person has XXY chromosomes which is usually indicated by small testicles and sterility.

A lot of people posting 'there's only two genders' haven't attended a very comprehensive sex-ed course.

How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling.

the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%

Extrapolate that to the population of the US, that's 60,000 people in America who are both or neither male/female.

originally posted by: Painterz
This is for Intersex children.


Kids who are borne with both male and female characteristics.


It's more common than you might think.


"Here's what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births."


But sure, yeah, waaaaaaah, toilets.

In 1965, Canadian David Peter Reimer was born biologically male. But at seven months old, his penis was accidentally destroyed during an unconventional circumcision by cauterization. John Money, a psychologist and proponent of the idea that gender is learned, convinced the Reimers that their son would be more likely to achieve a successful, functional sexual maturation as a girl. Though Money continued to report only success over the years, David’s own account insisted that he had never identified as female. He spent his childhood teased, ostracized, and seriously depressed. At age 38, David committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
Source: www.bestpsychologydegrees.com...

Why are they trying to invent a gender that doesn't even exist, is the real question here.

Everyone is born as either a male or a female. We don't even think of ourselves in terms of a gender yet. Here is the government spewing about how a male or female doesn't matter anymore, because they want you to confuse sexual identity at birth.

We are born as human beings, either male or female. Identified as either male or female in gender is already known months before life exists, this is our gender, and nothing will alter anyone's gender, or define no gender for humans, which is anti-human, it goes beyond absurd To allow such crap doesn't surprise me, after 9/11 worked, same as others have worked before 9/11, and after it....

Gender isn't optional, gender cannot be changed, revised, or switched to the opposite gender.

Why would anyone want to be proud about their sexual preferences. How would a male think he should've been born as female, but never speaks about it until he is 50+ years old? Something to be saying all over the world is that you want us to know what courage you have announcing to the world that gender masked your inherent woman-hood.

Nobody can know that they should have been in a female form, except for another female.

How does a man sees himself as a man, and not a woman? He is sexually, physically attracted to females, which is the key sign of male behavior. It is not liking pretty dolls over playing with GI Joe. They are both dolls, anyway. Putting on makeup is not female behavior, either. Males style their hair, put on perfumes. Nobody dares to call them perfumes, which is exclusively used by women! They are 'colognes', and it is manly to slap on a cologne, or an ''aftershave'...

It is done by both genders to be attractive, in their own eyes, and to others.

All those traits that he speaks of as female behaviors are HIS IDEA of how a woman behaves. And how a woman looks.

Having someone who believes he should've been born female somehow was regarded as the world's greatest athlete, and he was an American, who are so proud of him, of course.

When this hero, god-like feats of American masculine supremacy, declares woman-hood fueled him to god-like status, it depicts how everyone who is less manly than he was, might wish to be a woman, deep down, and should be brave enough to admit it....


Something seems a bit wacko, here.

a reply to: links234

But there are still only two genders in humans. It just happens that some people have both. It does not make a third.

Anyone attracted to the opposite sex is labelled a sicko, or pervert, but anyone attracted to the same sex deserves to promote all sorts of deviant fetishes in annual parades!

a reply to: turbonium1

But its simply not true that everyone is born either one or the other.

This may be why cultures far older than those to be found in the west, recognised this and had a trinary understanding of gender, rather than a binary one.

It's cute seeing the Germans in the death throes of their suicidal liberal degeneracy. It won't last long. The Federal Republic will be replaced with an Islamic Republic within 10 years, and the gender situation will revert back to the standard muslim order; male and subhuman. Boys and property.

Serves them right for rolling out the red carpet for bolshevism in Europe. I will enjoy watching from a distance.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: turbonium1

But its simply not true that everyone is born either one or the other.

This may be why cultures far older than those to be found in the west, recognised this and had a trinary understanding of gender, rather than a binary one.

No. The term gender means male or female. We are born with XY or XX chromosomes, which define us as male or female. There are over 6500 genetic differences in males and females, as well.

There is no third gender, biologically, in humans. While some humans are born without distinct sexual features of either male or female, it is not a third gender, or a fourth gender.

Many species do not have a gender, because they are neither male or female. They are asexual.

a reply to: turbonium1

WTF?

This post is downright backwards, homophobic and most importantly.... UNTRUE!

originally posted by: RMFX1
a reply to: turbonium1

WTF?

This post is downright backwards, homophobic and most importantly.... UNTRUE!

There's nothing backwards or homophobic about it, because it IS true.

What identifies humans in biological terms of male or female is established fact. Nothing is homophobic about that fact. We are genetically distinct as male or female, and that is a fact.

There is no third gender in humans.

Deal with it.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: RMFX1
a reply to: turbonium1

WTF?

This post is downright backwards, homophobic and most importantly.... UNTRUE!

There's nothing backwards or homophobic about it, because it IS true.

What identifies humans in biological terms of male or female is established fact. Nothing is homophobic about that fact. We are genetically distinct as male or female, and that is a fact.

There is no third gender in humans.

Deal with it.

OK Bubba... whatever you say.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Anyone attracted to the opposite sex is labelled a sicko, or pervert, but anyone attracted to the same sex deserves to promote all sorts of deviant fetishes in annual parades!

Nothing homophobic about this post at all!

Sheesh, I stand by it. You're backwards.

originally posted by: RMFX1

originally posted by: turbonium1
Anyone attracted to the opposite sex is labelled a sicko, or pervert, but anyone attracted to the same sex deserves to promote all sorts of deviant fetishes in annual parades!

Nothing homophobic about this post at all!

Sheesh, I stand by it. You're backwards.

Where did you get the impression that your worthless liberal rewriting of science and biology held any currency?

There are 2 genders. Male and Female. Anything else is a degeneracy.

originally posted by: Painterz
This is for Intersex children.


Kids who are borne with both male and female characteristics.


It's more common than you might think.


"Here's what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births."


But sure, yeah, waaaaaaah, toilets.

Actually, it's even more common than that if you included hyposadias (which many doctors/psychologists) do.

I know many lives would have been a hell of a lot easier had their doctors not just went with educated guesses and a coin flips before writing down something that affects their entire lives.

a reply to: turbonium1

Science does not back your position, and decency and politeness do not back your delivery.

If you are going to be rude, you could at least have the decency to do your research first, without biasing yourself before doing so.

originally posted by: RMFX1

originally posted by: turbonium1
Anyone attracted to the opposite sex is labelled a sicko, or pervert, but anyone attracted to the same sex deserves to promote all sorts of deviant fetishes in annual parades!

Nothing homophobic about this post at all!

Sheesh, I stand by it. You're backwards.

No.

They DO promote homosexuality in parades. That is a fact.

I don't care what anybody's sexual preference is, and I don't certainly don't think it warrants annual public parades, in cities around the world.

Sexual preference is a PERSONAL MATTER.

You seem to think homosexuality should be promoted, to the world.

THAT is backwards.