'Hell is Here' for burning elephants in award-winning photo

a reply to: stosh64

So you are happy being Jury Judge and executioner? And spectator to a human being burned alive?

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: introvert

They hunt for sport and make illogical excuses, and then point fingers at the "cruel" things people in other countries do to animals.

Clearly we aren't speaking on the same hunters. I don't know any trophy hunters, perhaps you do.

The type of hunter I am and know are not anything you describe.

Trophy hunters usually admit they are hunting for the trophies.

Most hunters claim to hunt to feed their families, yet fail to see how it is cost prohibitive and hypocritical.

You can keep saying it, doesn't make it true. License costs around 25 bucks. Shotgun/rifle/bow all can be had for around 2-300 bucks. Ammo is around 20 bucks. So $50/year out of pocket for over a hundred pounds of choice meat?

a reply to: Eshel

Just slap on a US military uniform and you can have fun hunting.

a reply to: introvert

Ok so you want to use your wordplay to make yourself seem correct in this subject matter, so then. To stay on topic of the OP. Find a picture or a video of actual licensed outdoor sportsman hunters in the U.S throwing Molotovs at Deer, Antelope, Boar, Duck, or Buffalo like these morons in the video? If you can I will eat crow.

a reply to: JinMI

License costs around 25 bucks.

Depends on the state.

Shotgun/rifle/bow all can be had for around 2-300 bucks.

A side of beef is comparable, with no need for added expenses if you process it yourself.

Ammo is around 20 bucks.

Depends on what you are hunting with.

Also depends on the cost of maintenance of those firearms.

Not to mention different ammo/supplies for different seasons and the gear/time needed to get that yield, if you yield anything at all.

So $50/year out of pocket for over a hundred pounds of choice meat?

I bet you will spend that just in gas getting to where you are going to hunt, for each season.

originally posted by: KonquestAbySS
a reply to: introvert

Ok so you want to use your wordplay to make yourself seem correct in this subject matter, so then. To stay on topic of the OP. Find a picture or a video of actual licensed outdoor sportsman hunters in the U.S throwing Molotovs at Deer, Antelope, Boar, Duck, or Buffalo like these morons in the video? If you can I will eat crow.

That's an odd request.

As I have stated before, one does not have to set something on fire to be as equally inhumane or illogical.

In fact, these people in the OP's video appear to be trying to protect themselves from the damage the elephants can cause.

Hunters in the US just hunt for the sake of killing #.

That's even worse.

a reply to: JinMI

They hunt because it gives them a little more control over how their food gets to their tables.

Do these same hunters grow their own vegetables to ensure purity or don't own IPhones made by child labour in China?

"Your iPhone Was Built, In Part, By 13 Year-Olds Working 16 Hours A Day For 70 Cents An Hour"

www.businessinsider.com.au...

a reply to: introvert

A side of beef is comparable, with no need for added expenses if you process it yourself.

Yea? No, try about 5 times as much. michiganfarmtofamily.com...

You can find it cheaper and post your findings.

31$ for a license, not 25, my mistake.
www.michigan.gov...

Depends on what you are hunting with. Also depends on the cost of maintenance of those firearms. Not to mention different ammo/supplies for different seasons and the gear/time needed to get that yield, if you yield anything at all.

Whether its a shotgun or a 30-06 which seems to be the most common, it's under $20 per box of ammo. As long as you clean your firearms, the maintenance is nil. You don't need the gear and can put in as much time as you wish. With time however, the results get better.

I bet you will spend that just in gas getting to where you are going to hunt, for each season.

You would also spend more than that going to a store to buy your meat throughout the year.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Some grown their own sure.

I don't own an iphone.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: KonquestAbySS
a reply to: introvert

Ok so you want to use your wordplay to make yourself seem correct in this subject matter, so then. To stay on topic of the OP. Find a picture or a video of actual licensed outdoor sportsman hunters in the U.S throwing Molotovs at Deer, Antelope, Boar, Duck, or Buffalo like these morons in the video? If you can I will eat crow.

That's an odd request.

As I have stated before, one does not have to set something on fire to be as equally inhumane or illogical.

In fact, these people in the OP's video appear to be trying to protect themselves from the damage the elephants can cause.

Hunters in the US just hunt for the sake of killing #.

That's even worse.

No, it appears those two elephants were most likely minding their business and got ambushed. If property damages were done then surely the government would of been involved and found a way to properly mitigate the issue without Molotovs.

a reply to: JinMI

Yea? No, try about 5 times as much. michiganfarmtofamily.com...

You can find it cheaper and post your findings.

What will your beef cost?

The cost is $3.50-3.65/lb hanging weight, depending on the amount.

Process it yourself, assuming you know how to, and you are saving some cash. Not $8 plus as your link suggests.

www.newgrassfarm.com...

Whether its a shotgun or a 30-06 which seems to be the most common, it's under $20 per box of ammo.

Also depends on how good of a shot you are.

Most couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a Mack truck.

As long as you clean your firearms, the maintenance is nil.

It's not free to clean your firearms properly.

You don't need the gear and can put in as much time as you wish. With time however, the results get better.

Yes, you need gear.

I spent most my years hunting in northern Minnesota.

You don't go hunting without the proper gear.

You would also spend more than that going to a store to buy your meat throughout the year.

Which any hunter would also have to do as well. They don't just eat what they kill.

Starting to get the point?

originally posted by: KonquestAbySS

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: KonquestAbySS
a reply to: introvert

Ok so you want to use your wordplay to make yourself seem correct in this subject matter, so then. To stay on topic of the OP. Find a picture or a video of actual licensed outdoor sportsman hunters in the U.S throwing Molotovs at Deer, Antelope, Boar, Duck, or Buffalo like these morons in the video? If you can I will eat crow.

That's an odd request.

As I have stated before, one does not have to set something on fire to be as equally inhumane or illogical.

In fact, these people in the OP's video appear to be trying to protect themselves from the damage the elephants can cause.

Hunters in the US just hunt for the sake of killing #.

That's even worse.

No, it appears those two elephants were most likely minding their business and got ambushed. If property damages were done then surely the government would of been involved and found a way to properly mitigate the issue without Molotovs.

Ambushed?

Much like a hunter in a tree stand waiting to kill their next prey?

a reply to: JinMI

So you grow your own vegetables at home and use natural manure.

Do you wear any clothing made in China, or a better question would be are there any textile factories left in the USA?

a reply to: introvert

Process it yourself, assuming you know how to, and you are saving some cash. Not $8 plus as your link suggests.

Sure, assuming you can and have the materials. Knives, saws, butcher paper or seal bags. Still $800.

Also depends on how good of a shot you are. Most couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a Mack truck.

Then you shouldn't be hunting.

It's not free to clean your firearms properly.

In my 20 some years, I've never paid anyone a dime to clean my firearms. Oils/rags cost every few years is around 5 bucks.

Yes, you need gear.

No you don't. You need your firearm or bow and to stay warm. If using a firearm, you'll need some hunters orange in my state.

Which any hunter would also have to do as well. They don't just eat what they kill. Starting to get the point?

No, your point is proven wrong. Your point is that hunting is costs prohibitive and it's not.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: JinMI

So you grow your own vegetables at home and use natural manure.

Do you wear any clothing made in China, or a better question would be are there any textile factories left in the USA?

I grow some as I live in the city.

I'm sure some of my stuff is made in China. What are you attempting to get at?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I think Hindu's believe in karma..I hope they are reborn as gnats, lighting baby animals on fire is especially deserving of the worst kind of karma, elephant are sentient beings like us..maybe beyond us, certainly beyond those farmers.
I wish I hadn't seen it. makes me want to cry.

a reply to: KonquestAbySS

from the source - the Govt. doesn't care

utter indifference of the central and state government to recognize the crisis

a reply to: JinMI

I'm sure some of my stuff is made in China. What are you attempting to get at?

Same as I said about phones - by buying clothing made in China where people are worked to bone like slaves.

a reply to: vonclod

they have thousands of gods and who knows how seriously they take "karma"

I agree that is is soul wrenching seeing animals suffer. Thats why I wrote that the OP should have warned us. The mind cannot unsee what it has seen

I think Hindu's believe in karma..I hope they are reborn as gnats

Well I posted a video above that shows how US forces set up civilians for death in IRAQ. I don't wish any karma on them. Just that they should be held accountable in a court of law as per the "Laws of Conduct in War"

a reply to: JinMI

Sure, assuming you can and have the materials. Knives, saws, butcher paper or seal bags. Still $800.

Cheaper than ammo, licenses, maintenance, firearms, gear and gas.

Point being, I provided a source more than half as expensive as yours.

Then you shouldn't be hunting.

Regardless of their ability, no one should be hunting for food.

It's an exercise for idiots.

In my 20 some years, I've never paid anyone a dime to clean my firearms. Oils/rags cost every few years is around 5 bucks.

Good lord. Why would anyone pay someone else to clean their firearms? I never suggested that.

And all you do oil them and wipe them down with a rag?

Even I put a lot more effort in to the maintenance of my gear.

They are tools. Not door hinges.

No you don't. You need your firearm or bow and to stay warm.

Wow. Didn't know firearms or bows emitted heat to keep one warm while sitting in a stand at -10 degrees. They must be some new nuclear technology that I've never heard about.

If using a firearm, you'll need some hunters orange in my state.

So you do need gear.

Told ya.

No, your point is proven wrong. Your point is that hunting is costs prohibitive and it's not.

It is. You've even conceded on major points that bring the cost well beyond what could be achieved through the supermarket.

Especially considering that even hunters have to go to the supermarket.