Do you agree with Keith Olberman?

a reply to: japhrimu

Trump? or even Obama for that matter?

No. The Congress has done more to damage the US than any other branch of Government. And has done that with the help of the two main political parties help.

Ever more, the Presidency is increasingly impotent. We haven't seen a President who could advance an agenda through Congress since...............either Reagan or Bill Clinton.

the fact he upsets snowflakes with a little social commentary makes him a good guy in my book.
its funny people here think trump is doing anything passable, if the majority didnt have azerbaijani ip addresses it would adorable.

a reply to: japhrimu

I think that the MSM is doing more damage to America than ISIS, OBL, and Al queda combined.

There are people out there that fully believe whatever their choice of media is feeding them, and will not allow themselves to venture out into the real world and form their own opinion.

This is the America that I'm seeing way too often these days...
The MSM will tell you that the sky is green, our sports will tell you the sky is green, your primetime sitcoms will suggest that the sky is green, your webpages tell you the sky is green. Eventually if they all do it enough times, and you don't find a different view point, you'll end up believing that the sky is green. Then one day you go outside and you look up and see a green sky. You tell your neighbor "what a beautiful shade of green the sky is today" and your neighbor looks at you like your nuts. One day you come across me and say "hey Abran, what a beautiful green sky we have today" and I'll say that the sky is actually blue today, to which you reply "no, IT'S GREEN, Kieth Olberman was on the view, and he said it was green" I'll make a point that the sky today is blue, or grey if you're in Oregon, sometimes it's pink or orange at sunset, and then you'll tell me that I'm a racist because I don't believe it's green, and walk away with a smug smile on your face, proud that you "put me in my place" and didn't allow yourself to hear that the sky may not be green. Meanwhile, I watch you walk away wondering what the hell just happened and thinking that nobody is stupid enough to believe the sky is green while you're staring at the big blue sky right in front of you.

Thanks, everyone who contributed... I don’t have anything else to add...
My OP was sorta rhetorical, to start a conversation, but it was also done on a whim, and I’ve lost interest already...


My day is moving on...

Love to everybody! (even Keith)

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Wow, you know?

It's like you copy/pasted all those things you say Trump has done from a website complaining about Obama with the possible exception of the last which can easily be substituted with the Democrat tax and spend, redistribution mantra.

And to think ... Obama had 8 whole years to screw up while Trump is barely even started and has yet to pass anything major through Congress like Obama's ACA.

I agree with him. The Niners suck.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

I agree that he has accomplished little to nothing as regards actual legislation. That is not the only way a President can affect the country.

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

1) Weakened our legal structure by his constant attacks on the Constitution.

He frequently attacks the free press, based on whether or not he likes the story. He has made statements such as saying a network should lose their broadcast license, because he did not like what they said. And don't even start (not that I think you will, bfft) with the whole fake news thing. He loves Fox News, which has for years been as fake as they come.

He has made statements along the lines that police should be rough with prisoners.
He has made statements that US citizens, who were born here, should be deported, or their opinions are necessarily flawed, because their heritage is not white European.
He has made other statements that are in conflict with the First Amendment, related to religion.

2) Made massive, flagrant political corruption main stream.

He has refused to divest himself of his financial investments that are making money from him as President.
He has supported various legislation that is obviously designed to further enrich the already rich.
He claimed that he was going to "drain the swamp" and has instead filled it with more billionaires, and he has put people in charge of government work that are fundamentally opposed to the job their departments are charged with.
He has put his family into multiple positions of government.

3) Appointed a large number of rabidly anti-freedom people as Federal judges.

One of the latest is Amy Coney Barrett, who appears to be a religious zealot. Jeff Sessions, while not a judge thank god, is in charge of the DOJ, and Sessions has proven repeatedly to be anti-freedom (except for the freedoms he likes).

4) Lowered the degree of trust our international allies have in us, and lowered our standing in the world in general.

Who cares what other countries think about our president? Seriously...the opinions you are referencing are the rich assholes from other countries. If we don't care for our own rich assholes, why would we care for theirs any more?

And I don't give a damn about opinions of rich assholes, either. I do care about countries being less enthusiastic about working with us on various items of international import.

5) Caused such turmoil during his time in the political arena that far too much attention is being paid to his shenanigans and not enough is being paid to areas that are actually important.

Is he the cause of it? Or the recipient of it? It seems to me that it isn't him causing the turmoil. If it were, he'd be accomplishing something. And he isn't....because of the turmoil.

All of this is my opinion, of course, but I consider him to be the cause. Consider the Obama administration, which was subject to at least as many attacks as is Trump, but dealt with it without all the turmoil.

6) Further weakened the economy by continuing to push the miserable failure of trickle-down, or voodoo, economics. He shares responsibility for this with Congress.

I need this quantified too. Like i said...he has achieved nothing. How did he continue to push anything while not doing anything?

His stated economic policy and tax plan, that he endorses will do nothing to create massive numbers of good (note: good) jobs in the US, and will instead act to further widen the gap between the "haves" and everybody else in the country. Trickle down, regardless of what anybody may think of it philosophically, has been a complete and miserable failure since it was implemented by Reagan. And ironically, I believe it could work, but it has not, except again for the already wealthy.

All of these, while less dramatic in that people are not being killed in the streets, are far more dangerous to the US as a country than anything AQ or ISIS can do.

So yes, on this, I agree with Olberman.

DOes this mean that we can stop discussing gun control while focusing on Trump instead?

Talking about gun control as a means to reduce or end murder and violence in the US is the wrong place to even start. We have had easy access to firearms here since "here" has existed, and we have not had the kind of frequent violence we are seeing now until very recently, historically speaking. Access to guns is not the problem. The increasing despair far too many of the citizens here live in, the practical inability of normal people to get a good education and the way this culture worships violence, are the problem, or rather, they are parts of the problem.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Wow, you know?

It's like you copy/pasted all those things you say Trump has done from a website complaining about Obama with the possible exception of the last which can easily be substituted with the Democrat tax and spend, redistribution mantra.

And to think ... Obama had 8 whole years to screw up while Trump is barely even started and has yet to pass anything major through Congress like Obama's ACA.

I am still waiting to hear who his "one exception" is, in a century of poor leadership.
I would be willing to place a large bet on who it is though.

originally posted by: ketsuko
And to think ... Obama had 8 whole years to screw up while Trump is barely even started...

To screw up? Freudian slip?

a reply to: japhrimu

I knew from the the OP title that I wouldn't agree.

originally posted by: RazorV66

I am still waiting to hear who his "one exception" is, in a century of poor leadership.
I would be willing to place a large bet on who it is though.

Bet away, it is of course Obama. He was by no means perfect, but he was orders of magnitude a better leader than either GW or DJT.

a reply to: japhrimu

When Olberman and Patrick used to do Sports Center it was awesome. Ever since he left and showed his political colors I can't stand to even hear his voice. Even his cameo's on Bo Jack Horseman make me ill. I get the sense that he's playing a role, like a bizarro world version of Alex Jones.

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

originally posted by: RazorV66

I am still waiting to hear who his "one exception" is, in a century of poor leadership.
I would be willing to place a large bet on who it is though.

Bet away, it is of course Obama. He was by no means perfect, but he was orders of magnitude a better leader than either GW or DJT.

LOL
Yep....I knew it.
There is where you lost what little credibility you had.....we're done here.

a reply to: RazorV66

Curious as well, thats alot of people who made his sniplist.

I like to believe he was speaking of Roosevelt, having saved the world in WW2 but Ive got a feeling he meant Obama for some unknown reasoning.

28. Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
29. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
30. Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)
31. Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
33. Harry S. Truman (1945-1953)
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
35. John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
37. Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
38. Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
39. Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
40. Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
41. George Bush (1989-1993)
42. Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
43. George W. Bush (2001-2009)
44. Barack Obama (2009-2017)
45. Donald Trump (2017- )

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Jeez louise....

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ketsuko
And to think ... Obama had 8 whole years to screw up while Trump is barely even started...

To screw up? Freudian slip?

Yeah, screw up the country which under the criteria posted, Obama did a magnificent job of although I am sure the left leaning mark it all as improvements which is why they think Trump is screwing it up when he undoes it.

a reply to: RazorV66

I have my opinions, you and others have yours. I am confident and secure enough in mine to not require that anybody agree with me; that is up to each individual.

Are you and others so insecure in yours that you just cannot stand that somebody might disagree? If that is the case, you and others might want to do some introspection.

We are indeed done.

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic
a reply to: RazorV66

I have my opinions, you and others have yours. I am confident and secure enough in mine to not require that anybody agree with me; that is up to each individual.

Are you and others so insecure in yours that you just cannot stand that somebody might disagree? If that is the case, you and others might want to do some introspection.

We are indeed done.

Glad you're so confident and secure because I'm pretty sure nobody here agrees with you. Obama was the worst!

Now I'm done

originally posted by: ZombieWoof
Glad you're so confident and secure because I'm pretty sure nobody here agrees with you.

Whaaa? You mean, nobody on ATS agrees with me on this? Oh my GAWD how will I ever continue?

You are wrong, though.