Multiple People Shot in Manhattan: Sources

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: DBCowboy

They don't care about dying in public, private, or anywhere else. But they DO love their relatives and close friends. I started after another terrorist attack describing how to dissuade the wann-be's...

So you think killing their families would keep them from doing their thing, don't you think that would cause them to ramp up their attacks considering they have nothing left to lose?

You don't START by killing the families. You START by punishing those closest to the terrorist in a way that would make the next terrorist think twice.

It still would not work, you would see more people rising up to the challenge, more home grown terrorism would rise up against the government, your idea would turn the USA into a war zone.

You may be right... more would die due to our active reprisals. It's probably best just to accept a few murders each year from Radical Islamists.

So many are killed here in Chicago every week, that they don't even make the news any more. It's ACCEPTABLE to the population.

The entire U.S. can be conditioned with an "Oh Well.." attitude after enough small terror attacks, like we saw today in NYC.

Yeah that's exactly what I meant.

Stop being so extreme, nobody is suggesting that we have an oh well attitude on this but going after people that have nothing to do with the attacks is not the answer.

Stop listening Hannity and his guests, it might do you some good.

The terrorists are "extreme". Your way hasn't worked. Time to meet fire-with-fire. If the world ends, at least we went out fighting, instead of as slaughtered sheep. Same goes for Kim Jong, if he attacks.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: face23785

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I've seen these rigged with pyrodex before. I'd assume filling them with hydrofluoric acid would create something pretty damn vile and would certainly instill terror in people.

I was going to mention that not all paintballs are made of gelatin.
You covered it.
There are different types of ballistic capsules manufactured that contain chemicals/irritants.

a reply to: ArMaP

Are the names "Democrat" and "Republican" irrelevant when we are talking about the actions of the US president? I see it the same way, knowing who is behind the action may give a different perspective to their actions.

In many cases, yes they are.

But that's for another thread...

There are several individual groups that share one common goal: the Islamifacation (new word) of the West. I believe in religious freedom for all; they believe in religious restriction for all. Those two beliefs are not compatible. I believe in debate and compromise to resolve differences of opinion; they believe in killing their opponents or terrorizing them into subservience. That is unacceptable to me.

In my post, I used ISIS because ISIS is the group most active at this time. Al Qaida used to be the most active and I'm sure I have attributed actions to them 'prematurely' as well. The same goes for the Taliban. But the point is it doesn't matter which of these organizations are the actual culprit because they are all part of a singular movement. Until we realize that, and accept that there are bad people in this world who want to harm others for silly reasons, people will continue to die in attacks.

While we type back and forth over whether it was ISIS proper, or an offshoot of ISIS, or a lone wolf who was inspired by ISIS, there are people sitting in mosques and back rooms across the globe trying to figure out the most efficient way to remove you and me from existence. I personally don't plan on making it easy for them; you can continue worrying over their chain of command if you want.

TheRedneck

Notes written in Arabic have been found in or near the vehicle pledging allegiance to ISIS. A flag or symbol was also found.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: face23785
ISIS is not a foreign organization, it's a radical religious group. All you have to do to join is want to join.

It was created outside the US, that's why I consider it a non-US organisation.

They've been largely driven from what they consider their home territory. They're in dozens of countries, they're not a state actor.

Is the fact they were based on that "home territory" that makes me consider them a non-US organisation. I'm sure they are "fans" everywhere, like any ideology, but what I have been trying to say is that I don't see them as acting as an organisation inside the US. If they are sufficiently at ease to organise attacks like this in the US then things are much worse in the US than I expected.

Wait wait so anything created outside the US? Christianity is a foreign organization then, not a religion?

ISIS is a religious organization, it's not tied to any one country or nationality. Declaring it foreign or domestic is a misapplication of terms. And last time I checked, there haven't been any ISIS statements putting you in charge of membership. As it stands, they've basically said if you want to join our organization, pledge allegiance to us, rent a truck and run people the # over.

It's an ISIS attack dude, just admit it. Why are you so emotionally invested in it not being an ISIS attack? It is one. You're gonna have to accept that.

Just hope this mangy dog gets the death penalty!

Not that NY 25 to life crap

a reply to: carewemust

What is my way?

You sound a bit radical yourself, careful you don't end up on some watch list.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: carewemust

What is my way?

You've done a good job of laying that out (your way) in this, and other threads. No need to ask ME, LOL.

ISIS should have been wiped out viciously and fast
Obama the fraud half stepped. Now these lunatics have come back. Their mentally deranged and evil cultic personalities.

Trump’s phony ban doesn’t even have Wahhabi nations on the ban!

Maybe the west intelligence wanted ISIS around, there’s a lot of evidence they do

originally posted by: wildapache
a reply to: JBurns

More guns isnt always the answer you know....

When it's criminals with guns many times the best option is good guys with guns.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: carewemust

What is my way?

You've done a good job of laying that out (your way) in this, and other threads. No need to ask ME, LOL.

So, you got nothing, cool.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I would say those really behind ISIS don’t want the Islamification of the world but the opposite—the destruction of Islam.

a reply to: ArMaP

Is the fact they were based on that "home territory" that makes me consider them a non-US organisation. I'm sure they are "fans" everywhere, like any ideology, but what I have been trying to say is that I don't see them as acting as an organisation inside the US. If they are sufficiently at ease to organise attacks like this in the US then things are much worse in the US than I expected.

I agree with this sentiment. It would be worse if the organization had deep tentacles into US society. Such only requires that there be enough sympathizers inside the US to create a network. ISIS is not going to formally apply to start a club... it will establish a chain of command through individuals sympathetic to their goals. Sympathizers like this killer.

That is exactly the concern of those of us who call for stronger vetting, travel bans, and the like. We see a network growing on US soil, and we do not want it to continue growing. The only way to stop that growth is to restrict access to foreign nationals who wish to do us harm. While it is true that that will not remove US citizens who for some strange reason decide to align with ISIS, it will slow the growth of the ISIS network in the US by making communication with other groups more difficult and slowing the flow of new recruits and agents.

TheRedneck

This was an attack by ISIS a sympathizer. It is an ideology of hate that follows Islam. He is an Islamic terrorist. End of story. There is no way to stop it. There are only ways to try to protect ourselves. Vigilance and Security at home.

Every judge or person who talked against a travel ban should be ashamed. Those are the types of actions needed to calm this flow of terror that was brought here in the modern era during the first WTC bombing.

This guy went to a mosque. If he came to Tampa there are plenty of radicalized Muslims there. Someone knew. That is the problem. CAIR should be releasing a statement soon but do you know what makes me feel best? Is that we will not have to listen to an POTUS or AG who will tell me accept Islam.

Remember Lynch when she said her greatest fear is not ISIS but hate speech against Islam after the San Bernadino attack? Or when she said the most effective response to Islamic terror is love? We had a president who said WE are to blame for Islamic terror after the Pulse shooting.

The time to stand up as a country to Radical Islam is now. Start raiding mosques if they will not cooperate. You have the freedom in this country to follow a religion but you do not have the right to hide the extremism.

Obama says we are to blame

Lynch defends Islamic terror

Love you terrorists says US AG Lynch

a reply to: Willtell

maybe the feds will take it,Inshallah (if allah wills it)

originally posted by: matafuchs
This was an attack by ISIS a sympathizer. It is an ideology of hate that follows Islam. He is an Islamic terrorist. End of story. There is no way to stop it. There are only ways to try to protect ourselves. Vigilance and Security at home.

Every judge or person who talked against a travel ban should be ashamed. Those are the types of actions needed to calm this flow of terror that was brought here in the modern era during the first WTC bombing.

This guy went to a mosque. If he came to Tampa there are plenty of radicalized Muslims there. Someone knew. That is the problem. CAIR should be releasing a statement soon but do you know what makes me feel best? Is that we will not have to listen to an POTUS or AG who will tell me accept Islam.

Remember Lynch when she said her greatest fear is not ISIS but hate speech against Islam after the San Bernadino attack? Or when she said the most effective response to Islamic terror is love? We had a president who said WE are to blame for Islamic terror after the Pulse shooting.

The time to stand up as a country to Radical Islam is now. Start raiding mosques if they will not cooperate. You have the freedom in this country to follow a religion but you do not have the right to hide the extremism.

Obama says we are to blame

Lynch defends Islamic terror

Love you terrorists says US AG Lynch

And that is why people such as yourself should not be taken seriously.

You are an ideological extremist yourself.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Every judge or person who talked against a travel ban should be ashamed.

Why? It wouldn't have stopped this man. He's not from a country on the list, he arrived here in 2010...seven years ago!

Its too late now; this Wahhabi cancer will be around a long time.

THEY NEED TO BAN WAHHABIS!!!!


No liberal SECULAR MUSLIMS DO THIS


Then why is trump banning them?

They need to keep WAHHABIS out of here.

I don’t care if their cab drivers or whatever

WAHHABISM IS PRIMITIVE RELIGION

BAN SAUDIS!

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Take what

originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: matafuchs
Every judge or person who talked against a travel ban should be ashamed.

Why? It wouldn't have stopped this man. He's not from a country on the list, he arrived here in 2010...seven years ago!

True. But it is our duty, I guess, to turn in extremists, lest we be accused of hiding extremists.

So we should turn in Matafuchs before he potentially hurts someone.