UK Conservative Sex Pest List Being Kept Secret (Lest the government fall).

From a journalist friend of mine regarding the list of Conservative MPs and senior ministers who have been named on a list of known sexual abusers in Westminster:


On the dossier of 36 Tory 'Sex Pest MPs': I've seen the unredacted version. So have Novara Media, & a significant portion of lobby journos. We know what's alleged, and who is implicated. We can't say more due to the strength of UK libel laws.

I wouldn't care if it's just run of the mill decadence. But what's documented is also pervasive abuse of power at the highest level of government. What I've seen is a culture of callousness, unaccountability and the blurring of political and personal power - with devastating effects. We're talking about gross misconduct in public office. We're talking fitness to represent you, the electorate.

This asymmetry of power is reflected in the fact that a privileged circle of people know what's in the doc & the rest of the country doesn't. I'm saying all this so that better resourced outlets, with investigative capacity, understand that this story is in the public interest.

We all need to create the demand to see this story put out there - corroborated, credible, and politically effective. This Michael Fallon stuff is chickenfeed: a soft story chucked to The Sun to get the public off the scent.

The culture of grooming, exploitation, hypocrisy and intimidation - backed up by political and economic capital - is the real story here. Unevenness in the distribution of politically relevant knowledge threatens the integrity of a functioning or fair democracy.

The world evolves around sexual behavior, get used to it. Nothing will change. Power and sex go hand and hand. A universal law sort of.

originally posted by: musicismagic
The world evolves around sexual behavior, get used to it. Nothing will change. Power and sex go hand and hand. A universal law sort of.

Weinstein? I didn't know you posted here on ATS!

Lot of free time on your hands lately eh?

How's the 'rehab' going?

originally posted by: musicismagic
The world evolves around sexual behavior, get used to it. Nothing will change. Power and sex go hand and hand. A universal law sort of.

That was amply illustrated some time ago when a famous novelist was allowed to skip out of the country to reside elsewhere because of misdeeds at home. But as you say, as presently illustrated in Hollywood, etc. and what everybody has known for decades, power begats ruthless power because it is virtually automatic in the species. --But it need not be allowed when found in plain sight, should it?

a reply to: Painterz

This is, quite frankly, disgusting. No cite of law, non-disclosure agreement, or D-Notice can be justified, when used to keep this sort of thing out of the press. The scoundrels should be rounded up and shoved through the courts like sausage meat through a grinder, without delay.

The members of the government MUST be recongised as legally responsible for their actions, and be shown to be no more above the law than any regular citizen.

This is one of the starkest examples of injustice that I have ever heard of, and I insist that something be done about it.

I was looking up a report on this matter on Google, and came across a story from the Scum newspaper. Curious as to how the lowest of the gutter press was handling the matter, I was not shocked to see that the language they were using was entirely inappropriate to the task of correctly outlining what is going on.

They refer to cabinet members and MPs who have been involved with sexual harassment of female researchers, aides and so on, as "sleazy" or "handsy", and to their absolutely inappropriate activities as "antics" in a story published three days ago on their website. There are numerous examples of softening language being used by the author, presumably to try to paint the situation as some sort of Carry On film situation, where everyone is having a bloody good time of it as it happens, and no one minds a smack on the bum every ten and three quarter seconds, some sort of strange, repressive swingers party, where the only music played for mood is the Benny bloody Hill theme.

It just won't wash. These are not antics, they are criminal acts. These folk are not simply sleazy or handsy, because these words do not, in and of themselves, actually do the situation the slightest justice. There is nothing illegal about being handsy. There is something decidedly illegal about being handsy with someone who has not given specific and explicit invitation, unambiguous invitation to invade their physical space. There is nothing illegal about having a sleazy mind, as long as one keeps ones hands and ones thoughts, to oneself and behaves in a proprietous fashion toward ones co-workers and staff.

It must be made clear in all publishing on this and any related topic, that the behaviour concerned is not acceptable, is illegal, and will not be treated lightly, its perpetrators will NOT be seen as the roguish lead characters in a 60s rump chasing comedy series. They must instead be written of as they are, serial abusers of their position, morally defunct scum, not fit to run the tea stand at a church fete, leave alone entire departments of government, or the affairs of a constituency.

This softening, cheapening language needs to stop.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Keeping it secret makes them complicit.

Also, how are we to trust any of them now?
Not knowing who is guilty leaves freedom to speculate about any of them, thus tarring the innocent with the same filthy brush.

Disgusting government.

Adds new meaning to their "austerity" policies.

a reply to: Painterz

Even Diane Abbot says this isn't a Tory issue, it is cross House and cross Party. It is simply that the Tory's already have a dossier on those accused (from their party).

But when someone as Left as Diane Abbott isn't using this to bash the Tories then there is probably something in what she is saying.......

a reply to: TrueBrit

Thank you for pointing out the "softening" of the language in regards to powerful people's criminal sexual behavior and the "boys will be boys" wink and nod and shrug of the shoulders.

The culture of corruption both sexual and financial at the top needs to end. Our world is sick and suffering from it.

🙁

a reply to: Tulpa

Well now, that is a very good point.

Morally speaking, anyone who has the facts and the names involved with this list, either to memory or on paper, should, if their morals are important enough to them, risk their livelihood and their liberty, to publish them in full. Legally speaking, they may have their hands tied, with any one of the gags traditionally applied to the press by governance.

But as a purely ethical exercise, you are right, helping this information remain secret, is aiding and abetting the situation, without doubt.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I'm not even that bothered about the info being published.

Just give the damn dossier to a Police force with the will to act on it.

a reply to: Painterz

We are still awaiting the findings of the 'historic child abuse enquiry' which has now been going for a few years. There was also the matter of the police going forward with around 200 current enquiries/charges back in 2014. The police themselves stated that they were being stymied by 'higher ups'.
Truth is they will defend the reputation of the house of commons at any cost.

a reply to: Painterz

I hear Anne Widdecombe was one of the worst offenders. She's allegedly been trying to "give away her flower" by getting Peers drunk on brandy and roughhousing them. Word around Parliament is her nickname is "wandering hands Widdecombe. " Rumours are circulating she's already bought this season's Victoria's Secret wardrobe as an enticing lure beneath the tweed pant suit.

Victoria's Secret were asked for comments and refused to confirm whether or not a cease and desist has been issued to Anne.

a reply to: Tulpa

Good luck finding one of those.

The reason I suggest publishing the dossier, is that without public pressure to act, the police forces of the nation are unlikely to act. Most of their top officers are appointed by, or very good friends with MPs, ministers, and government figures besides, including the Whitehall lot.

Getting the top brass of the police to move against the top brass of government, is like asking a fellow to punch his brother in the mouth for you. It might be justifiable given certain circumstances, but its very unlikely to occur.

a reply to: TrueBrit

True enough.

A sad reflection on modern Policing in the UK.

Government perverts? = No worries.

Say something mean on twitter? = Armed response unit with riot gear backup.

Like I said...disgusting.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
I was looking up a report on this matter on Google, and came across a story from the Scum newspaper. Curious as to how the lowest of the gutter press was handling the matter, I was not shocked to see that the language they were using was entirely inappropriate to the task of correctly outlining what is going on.

They refer to cabinet members and MPs who have been involved with sexual harassment of female researchers, aides and so on, as "sleazy" or "handsy", and to their absolutely inappropriate activities as "antics" in a story published three days ago on their website. There are numerous examples of softening language being used by the author, presumably to try to paint the situation as some sort of Carry On film situation, where everyone is having a bloody good time of it as it happens, and no one minds a smack on the bum every ten and three quarter seconds, some sort of strange, repressive swingers party, where the only music played for mood is the Benny bloody Hill theme.

It just won't wash. These are not antics, they are criminal acts. These folk are not simply sleazy or handsy, because these words do not, in and of themselves, actually do the situation the slightest justice. There is nothing illegal about being handsy. There is something decidedly illegal about being handsy with someone who has not given specific and explicit invitation, unambiguous invitation to invade their physical space. There is nothing illegal about having a sleazy mind, as long as one keeps ones hands and ones thoughts, to oneself and behaves in a proprietous fashion toward ones co-workers and staff.

It must be made clear in all publishing on this and any related topic, that the behaviour concerned is not acceptable, is illegal, and will not be treated lightly, its perpetrators will NOT be seen as the roguish lead characters in a 60s rump chasing comedy series. They must instead be written of as they are, serial abusers of their position, morally defunct scum, not fit to run the tea stand at a church fete, leave alone entire departments of government, or the affairs of a constituency.

This softening, cheapening language needs to stop.

Great post. Very true.
Very well explained.

How the media uses language to manipulate our perception of an event.

"Sex pest?"

They actually use that phrase? Sex pest? Is that a real thing?

The British capacity for innocuous sounding euphemism is amazing.

a reply to: Flavian

I've heard stories from someone who used to travel down to Westminster occasionally, it's most definitely a cross-party issue.

The bars in Westminster were absolutely filthy last I heard and it isn't down to a lack of cleaners if you know what I mean.

A dirty bastard labour MP got a good kick in the bullocks for his antics, much to the amusement of witnesses. An old senior MP... I won't be naming names or anything though.

You're right about Abbott, in all honesty I'm surprised this has taken so long to get into the limelight... The house of Lords isn't any better apparently.

a reply to: musicismagic

When man first started building civilisation woman would help gather wild men by luring in with sexual desire

a reply to: RAY1990

Thats kinda the worst part isn't it?

Its not really a secret.
Every time something does start to emerge, its squashed immediately by those who are able to do the squashing.

In the absence of clarification (or any real efforts to deal with it), I'd say they've laid the groundwork for us to assume that every last single one of them is a filthy degenerate pervert.

And we should only offer them the level of respect that is afforded to those types.