Manafort, Gates Plead Not Guilty To All 12 Counts in Russia Probe

This might help with the broader focus....

Yeah, Russians.....


www.rawstory.com...

www.axios.com...


I wonder how long the FBI has been watching the Trump family?

a reply to: cinerama

Papadopoulos was never a salaried employee of the Trump campaign.

He was simply a voluntary adviser on foreign policy....one of many.

You really need to research better. I know you're a newbie, but c'mon!

originally posted by: olaru12
This might help with the broader focus....

Yeah, Russians.....


www.rawstory.com...

www.axios.com...


I wonder how long the FBI has been watching the Trump family?

Probably since the early 70s, and still nothing to show for it.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: cinerama

Papadopoulos was never a salaried employee of the Trump campaign.

He was simply a voluntary adviser on foreign policy....one of many.

You really need to research better. I know you're a newbie, but c'mon!

Uh, Papadopoulos was one of trumps foreign Policy Advisors, who looked into meeting with Russians he sent email and spoke with on far more than one occasion ...... You may want to look into that yourself....


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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: olaru12
This might help with the broader focus....

Yeah, Russians.....


www.rawstory.com...

www.axios.com...


I wonder how long the FBI has been watching the Trump family?

Probably since the early 70s, and still nothing to show for it.

After the FBI informant testifies about the scandals that occurred under the Obama Administration, the pendulum will swing back the other way and stay there. That is where real crimes were committed.

Unless Mueller can produce one indictment per week, today's excitement over manaforts alleged money-laundering crimes, will soon be gone.

a reply to: olaru12

again, you do realize all Manafort and Gates charges go away
back to Obama era. Trump was not even in the picture.

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: carewemust

Papadopoulas was never employed by the campaign.

Manafort charges are from 2013, pre dating Trump.
So the criminal activity took place while Obama was POTUS.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Hopefully Mueller is a man of integrity who will follow the trail wherever it leads.

a reply to: kurthall

That's what I said. My post stands uncorrected as is.

He was a so-called foreign policy advisor. But, it was voluntary. He was NEVER a salaried member of the campaign.

a reply to: olaru12

And Manafort was working for Podesta, which is company B
in the indictment. That is why he resigned, or was fired.

originally posted by: burntheships
again, you do realize all Manafort and Gates charges go away
back to Obama era. Trump was not even in the picture.

They would go back significantly further, IMHO, if there was no limitations. Pretty sure one of the entities, in the indictment paperwork, was started in 1999. One, they don't even know yet (they may not be able to determine) when it was started.

a reply to: queenofswords


Okay, so trumps foreign policy advisor, paid or not, repeatedly Meets with trump and then emails and calls Russia, on many occasions, you don't see anything wrong with that??? trump uses the weak and less experienced to do his dirty work. The kid is only 30. You are blinded by trump. Its simple.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: burntheships

Manafort and Gates have also been placed under House Arrest.

The charges must have been a surprise to Gates, since he didn't even have a lawyer. Or he thought Manafort's lawyer would help him out and he declined.

I do not think they could possibly have a bigger target on their backs, they better spill the information they have and fast!

a reply to: carewemust

I want to believe he is, after Comey it just looks so corrupt.

It would be easier to believe in Santa. 😂

originally posted by: peck420

They would go back significantly further, IMHO, if there was no limitations. Pretty sure one of the entities, in the indictment paperwork, was started in 1999. One, they don't even know yet (they may not be able to determine) when it was started.

Good points. Anyone know when John Podesta left The Podesta Group?

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: olaru12

And Manafort was working for Podesta, which is company B
in the indictment. That is why he resigned, or was fired.

And Papadopoulos was working for the FBI, imagine that....

www.rawstory.com...

The WH is in total meltdown....Trumps tweets tomorrow will be priceless!

The Muller investigation and indictments were just a formality.

originally posted by: burntheships
Good points. Anyone know when John Podesta left The Podesta Group?

On paper...1993.

Based on experience with extremely wealthy family groups....lol.

a reply to: carewemust


If only.


The average length of a special council's investigation (since Watergate) is about 900 days. Clinton/Whitewater lasted almost 3000 days, Iran/Contra lasted about 2400 days. This thing is approximately 150 days old and there is little reason to believe it will be wrapping up soon.


As for the "calls to shut down the witch hunt," there is simply too much momentum here. Things are proceeding quickly for anyone with an adult-level attention span. The previous average time to first indictment before this special council was 17 months, or a full year longer than today's indictments.


What we are seeing here is the judicious application of real heat. I predict a lot of frog legs between now and next October.

a reply to: burntheships

Of course he is pleading not guilty...who in the right mind would plead guilty to those charges?

Everybody is innocent until a plea bargain is arranged...and then they're only guilty until they're pardoned by the President...right?

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: olaru12

And Manafort was working for Podesta, which is company B
in the indictment. That is why he resigned, or was fired.

And Papadopoulos was working for the FBI, imagine that....

www.rawstory.com...

The WH is in total meltdown....Trumps tweets tomorrow will be priceless!

The Muller investigation and indictments were just a formality.

Still parroting BS? The WH isn't in total meltdown, sounds like you are, trying to bridge something that isn't there.

Plus, its got MSNBC links in it, leftist liberal slanders, no credibility.

a reply to: kurthall

But emails were not part of his volunteer work.

The big "P" tried to set up some Trump people and he failed.

They knew who he was from day 1.

Trump's people already knew the FBI had the deleted emails.

So the joke's on who now?