Manafort Charged by FBI

originally posted by: RickinVa
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wolf Blitzer said something about "Trump is going to fuc....fire Mueller"

LOL LOL LOL

No doubt what he just said,,, I had to rewind it to make sure.... talk about freudian slips

Wolf Blitzer drives me nuts.

EVERYTHING is "Just In" "Breaking News" with that urgency and fast clip to his voice. I imagine he discusses his bowel movements like they are revelations.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: RickinVa
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wolf Blitzer said something about "Trump is going to fuc....fire Mueller"

LOL LOL LOL

No doubt what he just said,,, I had to rewind it to make sure.... talk about freudian slips

Care for a slice of pizza, Wolf?

I am going to record it...I am sure it will be edited out in any replays.

a reply to: soberbacchus

I posted a link showing just how much tony and john worked together.

But you keep the dream alive!

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. It's possible for me to win the lottery jackpot but it's probably not going to happen.
The fact is there was no evidence that Hillary's server was hacked. And given that the server was taken down years and years ago and no one, from guccifer to Julian Assange, has ever been able to serve up a single email from that system logic says it was never hacked. If they were out there they would have been released last year when everybody was hoping they were out there. So far no one has been able to produce a single email that could have been hacked from her server.
So yeah it was possible it was hacked but logic says it wasnt.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. It's possible for me to win the lottery jackpot but it's probably not going to happen.

You should keep this in mind about the Trump-Russia collusion. About the only thing you guys have to cling to at this point is "it's still possible!". Nothing that's come out makes it more likely, and there is still no evidence.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes he's trying to negotiate the color of his prison uniform because orange would clash with his oompa loompa tan and orange hair.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. It's possible for me to win the lottery jackpot but it's probably not going to happen.

You should keep this in mind about the Trump-Russia collusion. About the only thing you guys have to cling to at this point is "it's still possible!". Nothing that's come out makes it more likely, and there is still no evidence.

This bears repeating. At this point, it's obvious the Russians were influence peddling hard. But that doesn't equal collusion. They were pressing Hillary just as hard, via the Podesta Group. (Who, by the way, appears to be the next logical target of the Mueller investigation.) As long as no inappropriate payments/promises were made, there's nothing wrong with that.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123

Be honest..You didn't just recently come to that conclusion. You came to that conclusion the very first moment someone accused the campaign of col!usion. And you haven't wavered from that view point.

Manafort was a foregone conclusion, nobody disputes his dirty dealings. The thread about the initial indictmenta all had money on that assumption, you'll be a fool to see otherwise.
Now, lets be honest about you. You're about as rabid as they come and the constant Russian-Trump narrative BS you keep trying, unsuccessfully, to push, "haven't wavered from that view point".

Proof? your ridiculous assertion that the indictment would have had Jr or Kushner in it, very amusing prediction.

Oh look, just breaking, Tony is stepping down, no doubt the Company A and B deal, lmfao.

Lets look at this on the whole shall we.

This indcitment shows that most of the allegations into Manafort for operating for the russians was from 2012 to 2015. Most of the charges after that are financial or covering up for them.

This means that currently we can say Trump had terrible judgement in picking manafort. But there is nor proof from this indictment of any wrongdoing on his part with russia.

However, we do know that there was wrong doing with russia from Company A and B, the companies that Manafort and Gates used to peddle russian influence to washington. We are almost certain that these groups are the Podesta group and Mercury.

This means that there is far more proof and connection to the dems for falling under russian influence than Trump.

Now we see the leader of the podesta group step down because of the Mueller investigation.

It is starting to look really bad for him and his connections.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: soberbacchus

I posted a link showing just how much tony and john worked together.

But you keep the dream alive!

OK, Can you give me a data-point? I read your links and still do not see anything to support your claim that John Podesta is heavily involved in his brothers company despite having left it 25 years ago.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. It's possible for me to win the lottery jackpot but it's probably not going to happen.

You should keep this in mind about the Trump-Russia collusion. About the only thing you guys have to cling to at this point is "it's still possible!". Nothing that's come out makes it more likely, and there is still no evidence.

This bears repeating. At this point, it's obvious the Russians were influence peddling hard. But that doesn't equal collusion. They were pressing Hillary just as hard, via the Podesta Group. (Who, by the way, appears to be the next logical target of the Mueller investigation.) As long as no inappropriate payments/promises were made, there's nothing wrong with that.

I can't disagree with that. Hardly anyone denies the Russians were trying to meddle, that's pretty standard. The problem is they weren't doing it in collusion with Trump, but some people can't let go of that myth.

originally posted by: Grambler
Lets look at this on the whole shall we.

This indcitment shows that most of the allegations into Mueller for operating for the russians was from 2012 to 2015. Most of the charges after that are financial or covering up for them.

This means that currently we can say Trump had terrible judgement in picking manafort. But there is nor proof from this indictment of any wrongdoing on his part with russia.

However, we do know that there was wrong doing with russia from Company A and B, the companies that Manafort and Gates used to peddle russian influence to washington. We are almost certain that these groups are the Podesta group and Mercury.

This means that there is far more proof and connection to the dems for falling under russian influence than Trump.

Now we see the leader of the podesta group step down because of the Mueller investigation.

It is starting to look really bad for him and his connections.

The only thing I have to disagree with here is Trump's judgement. Manafort hid his illegal activities from the government for years. There's no reason to believe Trump knew about them. How does that display bad judgement? Lots of people have criminals working for/with them and never know it until they're caught.

a reply to: Lagomorphe

I guess I laid out a lesson in logic rather than solid evidence.
Hillary left the state department in 2012. If her email was hacked where are they?
Five years later... But you're right. I offered no proof. So yeah they could be out there ...being held by some unknown hacker to be revealed at some future date for some as of yet unknown reason. Because last summer just wasn't the right time...but it's coming...I'm sure...what ever dude. That's some real sophisticated gymnastic moves you're making.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: RickinVa

The 4th estate engaged in a kangaroo court. Worse, there will be no retribution.

Right.

Strange to see the crew that chanted "Drain The Swamp" squeal and complain so loudly when massively corrupt folks get indicted.

They're not really squealing, they're just saying "yawn, boring."

I mean, it's a problem if a different political party does it.... but if it's your preferred partisan flavor, "yawn."

Drain the swamp.... lol.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Grambler
Lets look at this on the whole shall we.

This indcitment shows that most of the allegations into Mueller for operating for the russians was from 2012 to 2015. Most of the charges after that are financial or covering up for them.

This means that currently we can say Trump had terrible judgement in picking manafort. But there is nor proof from this indictment of any wrongdoing on his part with russia.

However, we do know that there was wrong doing with russia from Company A and B, the companies that Manafort and Gates used to peddle russian influence to washington. We are almost certain that these groups are the Podesta group and Mercury.

This means that there is far more proof and connection to the dems for falling under russian influence than Trump.

Now we see the leader of the podesta group step down because of the Mueller investigation.

It is starting to look really bad for him and his connections.

The only thing I have to disagree with here is Trump's judgement. Manafort hid his illegal activities from the government for years. There's no reason to believe Trump knew about them. How does that display bad judgement? Lots of people have criminals working for/with them and never know it until they're caught.

He hired someone that had been accused of illegal dealings before. He should have vetted him better.

a reply to: face23785

No "WE" don't know any such thing. Lol.
Where's the indictment of Clinton and John podesta?
Oh yeah...

a reply to: Arnie123

Given that then do you think Trump was wrong to hire him?

originally posted by: Grambler
Lets look at this on the whole shall we.

This indcitment shows that most of the allegations into Mueller for operating for the russians was from 2012 to 2015.

Mueller was not indicted.

Most of the charges after that are financial or covering up for them.

This means that currently we can say Trump had terrible judgement in picking manafort. But there is nor proof from this indictment of any wrongdoing on his part with russia.

Yes. Trump has a gift for accidentally hiring and appointing folks who have questionable and often illegal relationships with the Russian Government.

However, we do know that there was wrong doing with russia from Company A and B, the companies that Manafort and Gates used to peddle russian influence to washington.

Lobbying is not illegal. Money laundering, tax fraud, lying to the FBI and failing to register as a Foreign Agent is.

We are almost certain that these groups are the Podesta group and Mercury.

Don't know, but let's say sure.

This means that there is far more proof and connection to the dems for falling under russian influence than Trump.

How?

Now we see the leader of the podesta group step down because of the Mueller investigation.

Maybe he is just embarrassed for being exposed as the prostitute he is lobbying for a Ukrainian Dictator?
Maybe his presence is costing them Dems lobbying or consultant fees?

Maybe he hid some money and will share a cell with Manafort?


Trump's Campaign Manager and Deputy Campaign Manager and Foreign Policy Advisor have all been indicted.
One has pled guilty and two are appearing in court today.

Get back to me when you figure out how to connect your fuzzy dots into a better smoke screen.