White House says All The Women Who Say Trump Sexually Harassed Them Are Liars

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

Trump brags about using his money and fame to push himself on women. He says he kisses women without waiting- he just does it. He says if you’re famous you can do anything; grab them by their p###y. He said as a pageant owner he can get away with walking in on young women naked in their dressing room.

Do you believe his own words? Do you believe he is lying about himself?

He’s bragging about an abuse of power.

Conjecture. You've shown conjecture. Not proof.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I’m not talking about proof because I’m not talking about legal charges or jail time.

I’m talking about what do you believe?

I’m laying out the information and the fact that the White House officially called all these women liars, and I think that’s worth discussing.

I want to know what you believe.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I’m not talking about proof because I’m not talking about legal charges or jail time.

I’m talking about what do you believe?

I’m laying out the information and the fact that the White House officially called all these women liars, and I think that’s worth discussing.

I want to know what you believe.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

The point is, the White House is officially calling all these women liars, and Trump’s own words and history imply otherwise... so who is lying? All 16 women? Or Trump?

And bottom line, I think it’s good to identify what kind of person Trump is...

I see a history of entitlement and abuse of power.

Problem is no one is claiming sexual harassment they have every right to go to court to prove their case. So he has every right to call them liars if they refuse to prove their accusations. Like it or not hes innocent until proven guilty.

If they refuse to at least file formal complaints, it didn't happen..plain and simple. We've been through these distractions 12 months ago. Fortunately, Donald Trump rose above the useless noise-makers and became our President.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

I want to know what you believe.

Easy.

I believe Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

If he is proven guilty, then hang the bastard.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: dragonridr

I absolutely agree... he is legally innocent until proven guilty, and he can absolutely call them all liars...

However...

Based on his own statements, his own history, do you believe these 16 women are all lying or do you think he is.

He himself has bragged about what he’s accused of.

Ill say this he absolutely did i have no doubt life of the rich and famous.Look now even george clooney was accused as well. Before its over mot guys in Hollywood will be to. But heres the problem accusations get you no where. And was once okis nowsexual harassment. There isnt a guy alive that didnt have an experience where the woman felt harassed. Trick ijs to know when to stop and no means no.To be honest the first time i met the wife i pushed hard on those boundries. First thing the wife e er said to me was you need to leave.

a reply to: DBCowboy

So if it was your sister or your friend who came to you and said this guy did this— and 15 other women are saying the same thing— and the guy even bragged that he has the power to do this— if this person you care about said, do you believe me?” Your response would be — I believe him until you prove it.

I think you’re missing the point, and based on all those “lock her up” chants and pizzagate crap without proof— you’re being a little dishonest.

But to keep it to topic— I’m simply asking do you think 16 women are lying? Think of it like a poll. Are the 16 women liars?

a reply to: carewemust

So you believe if powerful men can silence the accusers or keep it quiet, then it means it never happened, and no matter what comes out, you’ll happily turn a blind eye?

Thanks for the honest answer.

So if women don’t have proof do you think they should stay silent?

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

But to keep it to topic— I’m simply asking do you think 16 women are lying? Think of it like a poll. Are the 16 women liars?

Does it surprise you that 16 anti-Trump women would make up sh#t about Trump?

You have to have proof.

If not, then it's just "He said-she said".

Trump is a billionaire. If he farted in an elevator while I was on it, I might want to cash in for emotional distress.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Do you believe Trump when he brags about walking into dressing rooms, kissing women without asking, or even grabbing p###y without asking?

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

Do you believe Trump when he brags about walking into dressing rooms, kissing women without asking, or even grabbing p###y without asking?

Supposition.

Conjecture.

Show me proof.


I mean, really. I'm not even a Christian but when I see things like this from you leftists, even I say, "Aww Jesus Christ!".

I get it. You hate Trump. But hating Trump doesn't imbue you with super powers. You don't get to act like "Judge Dredd" and issue out punishment.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

Do you believe Trump when he brags about walking into dressing rooms, kissing women without asking, or even grabbing p###y without asking?

Supposition.

Conjecture.

Show me proof.


I mean, really. I'm not even a Christian but when I see things like this from you leftists, even I say, "Aww Jesus Christ!".

I get it. You hate Trump. But hating Trump doesn't imbue you with super powers. You don't get to act like "Judge Dredd" and issue out punishment.

Man that would be cool! You took my parking place GUILTY blam blam blam blam blam blam reload blam blam blam

I believe in over kill

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

Do you believe Trump when he brags about walking into dressing rooms, kissing women without asking, or even grabbing p###y without asking?

Supposition.

Conjecture.

Show me proof.


I mean, really. I'm not even a Christian but when I see things like this from you leftists, even I say, "Aww Jesus Christ!".

I get it. You hate Trump. But hating Trump doesn't imbue you with super powers. You don't get to act like "Judge Dredd" and issue out punishment.

My feelings on Trump are a result of what I’ve learned about it. It seems like you have an odd resistance to learning about the guy.

I was simply asking if you believe Trump when he brags about walking into dressing rooms, kissing women without asking, or grabbing p###y without asking?

You don’t believe Trump, you don’t believe the women, and me asking these questions is somehow a leftist thing that you rebel against.

I’m not judging you on these things. I was just asking because you were engaging the discussion.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Again.

If I called you a pedophile, would that make you a pedophile?

Of course not.

But get a few people to call Trump a rapist, and all of a sudden . . . . he's a rapist.

I think I’ve discovered my question is very uncomfortable for people who generally support Trump. If it’s someone they don’t like, lock her up...

Which i totally understand...

But when Trump brags about this stuff and the White House calls the women liars for basically confirming what he has already bragged about— it seems there is a discomfort there that creates that disconnect.

The guy admits it and you still don’t want to believe it.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Should Bill Clinton be locked up?

There are plenty of women who said he raped them.

Hillary disparaged them.

Are you non-partisan on this or a hypocrite?

Should Hillary and Bill be locked up?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Again.

If I called you a pedophile, would that make you a pedophile?

Ask Hillary Clinton that question. A lot of people accused her of pizzagate and had no problems choosing to believe those stories without any proof.

Trump can actually admit what he does and you still aren’t sure if you believe him. 16 women come forward and say, yes, he’s being honest, he did it to us— and you still think nahhh, I’m not sure.

But Hillary. Enough said.

I’m not even suggesting we “lock him up” for sexual assault. I’m just asking .. do you believe Trump when he said these things? Do you believe the women when they back him up with their own horrible accounts. Or do you believe the White House that they are all liars?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Where is the proof?

Show me the proof.

Cite me the proof.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

I want to know what you believe.

Easy.

I believe Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

If he is proven guilty, then hang the bastard.

This sounds to me then like you support other people in Hollywood who knew of Harvey Weinstein but chose not to say anything— because in essence without proof, they could not have known about Harvey Weinstein and therefore Harvey was innocent and still is until he’s proven guilty. Right now we’re kind of being unfair to innocent Harvey Weinstein. Because he hasn’t been found guilty.

And yet, we know better than that, don’t we?

We all respect the courts and the law, but as people we know what Harvey Weinstein is. Because we know how to assess a situation.

It seems people are feigning ignorance— like what happens in Hollywood. Trump admits what he does, women come forward— and we feign ignorance.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

I think the problem is this.Every guy has had one of his buddies brag about the women he knew. And we all know he was lying through his teeth. And just like that guys tend to call them out and say prove it.so someone bragging about doing this or that with a woman is met with scepticism. So him telling someone what he did you immediately go hes lying. So you need to ask does he act that way? So thats why we want proof.