Machine Guns, Bloody Lipstick, Google Secret Agents & Dirty Dossiers: The Big Story under the radar

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Lets not beat around the bush IIB...

9/11, whether a full on inside job, or a set up involving the most plausible of deniability, would have been impossible if AQ, and terrorism world wide more generally, was not sponsored, aided and abetted by the intelligence community, for preceding generations, which it absolutely was.

From the narco terror groups set up by the CIA in South America, to the deliberate destabilisation of the Middle East during the entirety of the last half of the 20th century, these deliberate acts on the part of the intelligence community are the only thing which permitted the attack to occur, or for that matter, any of the major terrorist incidents in the United States. Without the funding, training and equipment delivered to them by the various machinations of the intelligence community, these groups could simply not exist in the format we have become used to.

We KNOW that American arms are being delivered directly to IS forces, because we have seen the reportage which tracked an individual crate of weapons from the diplomatic flight on which it travelled, to the bunker it was stored in by IS. The data is out there, and its even on this site already, which means it is searchable information. We know that aside from direct supply, the western intelligence groups routinely fund and supply these groups through Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other nations in the region. These things are not in question in any reasonable discussion, simply accepted and understood to be facts.

So what we have to ask ourselves, is as follows:

If 9/11 was such a big deal, how is it that the US does so much trade with Saudi Arabia, still, despite the fact that the majority of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi?

If terrorism is such a big deal, why is it that the US government still trades arms with nations we know to involve themselves in terrorist groups and their funding and equipment, and why do arms directly from the states, continue to be sent to terrorist groups in the Middle East?

If these groups are not proxy agents of the west, why can we find with very little actual effort, examples of collusion between US and other western forces, and those terrorist groups? Why, for example, did a gaggle of western intelligence agents, die alongside IS forces, when their command post came under assault from the air, by Russian warplanes in Syria?

The answer? Because the operatives and organisations we are lead to believe are enemies of the west, are nothing more than its puppets, designed to do a dance which inconveniences financial power blocs other than the ones our nations belong to, while giving us at home something to fear, a tool to lever control over our minds and hearts with.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I know, I know!

It sickens me deeply the lack of interest / care / etc when the cards are all laid out now for everyone to see.

It was like before Obama there twas this big Truth movement, the debates everyone online it seemed would get sucked into them at some point. It was all a big deal. And then OBL is "killed", Obama the Man now, and Hillary CIA McCain etc lay pull the Al Qaeda cards all out the sleeves throwing them down, doubling and tripling down on them, and WTF is a matter with people the whole everything wrong over there all stems back to 9/11.

If 9/11 weren't 9/11 to trigger the War On Terror etc that'd be one thing, but it effing 9/11 we're talking about.

And the Democrat's / liberals they're just TOTAL suckers now for Obama or whatever, okay fine that's one thing, or they get that excuse for a little while there MAYBE, but the Republican's / conservatives dont even care not even when they could have proverbially massacred the Democrat's with it... but they dont even care.

It's the most surreal thing I can even think about, and I happen to be a surreal cinema aficionado and psychonaut extraordinaire. Still cant wrap my mind around; still cant excuse any one for it. Totally unacceptable.

As its not just the nightmare in the Middle East we're talking about here, 9/11 also catalyzed into existence the Great Recession; the national debt etc bubbles looming threaten an inevitable total global economy meltdown to make the Great Depression look like candy street, which we've already had a taste of since 9/11, nope Al Qaeda a "non-issue".

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Their goal was and still is to destabilize ALL WESTERN governments. I think they are well on their way. They don't love or support trump. He is just another tool in their shed. Let's not fool ourselves that Putin respects or likes that boob in the whitehouse. That's a big big mistake. Trump's a cheap tramp Putin is using because he's easy and puts out.

a reply to: jimmyx
great summation.
And in so few words.

a reply to: Sillyolme

You didnt actually address anything in my piece, but thanks for posting.

AQ is a Russian operation? That is a laughable claim. Russia wouldn't have been stupid enough to allow something like 9/11 to happen purely because Russia wouldn't want the US to have an excuse to run wild through half the ME and Africa with the full backing of the global community. If AQ was a Russian operation the security and intelligence services of the US and UK WOULD know it. Without a doubt. And they would have made that link well known. 'Russian backed group brings down WTC'. Wow. Imagine how that headline would have suited certain individuals and groups. Individuals who work under the banner of AQ were brought to the UK and trained in Wales and Scotland by UKSF. Do you honestly think the UK government would allow that knowing the group was backed by Russia?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I think its important not to be thinking of this in terms of Obama this, Clinton that, McCain the other.

Its got to be dealt with as a systemic thing, affecting all parties and political entities. Democrat and Republican do not even come into the discussion, because these things go on regardless of who is in charge of the departments responsible, no matter who is in government, at the time, which party, or which top dog.

Even with Trump in the hotseat, there is no escape, because on the one hand the practice of offering arms and aid to terror groups from within the government itself was "officially ended", but on the other hand, his administration is still trying to do arms deals with Saudi Arabia, evidence, were any further proof required, that something is amiss in the halls of power. Lets not kid ourselves here, this is not a deep state issue, and not exclusively an intelligence agency, black budget issue either. The official government, the frontline of government, is actively and overtly offering arms to those who have been middlemanning on behalf of the UK and US intelligence services, for decades, because their backroom deals got found out, and now they have bought it all to the mainstream, to make it look legit...


Theres something dirty going on, and it worries me greatly that the news ignore it, ALL of the news (thats Fox, CNN, everyone, regardless of party affiliation or bias), that independent commentators are not making more of a noise about it, that it seems to be just allowed to slide. I do not understand how it can be that anyone is prepared to go about their normal business, until this practice and those who recommend it to the President and indeed those who used to perform this stuff on behalf of the intelligence community, have been rounded up and jailed.

The operators of these proxy armies need to go to jail, their collaborators need to be arrested, their backers need finding and jailing, an awful lot of people need to be incarcerated over this, from the tea boys to the shot callers.

a reply to: TrueBrit
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
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the spectrum of terrorists, supported and also attacked by the West/Deep-State/elite Globalists...
serve the purpose of being the 'Whack-a-mole' villian-of-the-age....And thus the need for a Global Policeman (USA)...

Which itself is scheduled for National Destruction, likely through the efforts from the Muslim Brotherhood executives placed or assigned to various sensitive/strategic departments & agencies of the Federal Government

the same terror groups are both mercenaries and enemies at the same time.... because the funding, aid, support must be masked by the shadow Globalist elites and the various intel agencies, so as to claim Deniability
let's be clear, IS (formerly isis) is given a wide berth of Autonomy-> which serves the Elites well in the 'whack-a-mole' game-board presented to the masses

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Thank you for presenting a well written article here on ATS IgnoranceIsntBlisss , feels like the good old days again when I came here and read peoples articles and the place was civil .

S&F

a reply to: TrueBrit

I dont disagree per se... but what I'm seeing is essentially everyone on the 'left' in total utterly embarassing denial about ObamaHillayCo. being more of the same as BushCo.

Now if it weren't for all of their bush is [every flavor of tyrant and the like] mania a decade ago, then I could actually let them off the hook to some degree.

Because you see I was with them in that vein. Daily would I run his nuts through the ringer, especially in my own blog spots.

Part of all of that was their astute observations about his supporters, which they never seemed to get enough of harping insults about how stupid they must be to be so blind, kind of stuff.

I did talk quite a bit about that too, although I didnt have the left/right bias driving me to loathing as they did, I more spent my time trying to understand the psychology of groupthink blind loyalty yada yada.

My work began around 2005 when their bush adoration was peak. There were holdouts and they took hell from every direction for it, but at least by his final days most were ready to move on past him. Bad memory.

Then comes Obama with his alleged "socialized medicine", and oh boy did that get conservative types going out their shia'ite. And right then came the 'if you criticize obama that proves youre a racist bs', and that was my breaking point of acknowledging either camp (2011-2016).

The point were I got into the game of trying to wake up bush maniacs, seeing the 'Obama Honeymoon' I already knew full well he'd get re-elected and that until his true colors truly came out in full (what they all do the year of re-election) there's was no point in eve trying to get thru to anyone.

I expected I'd tune back in around 2014 and get back to the same work I had to do with the Bush people in 2005... and that wasn't possible.

So last year finally circumstances happened me back into the fold and my mind was blown. The SJW BS oh yeah that, but equally disturbing was ObamaHillaryCo. ultimately did the same broken campaign promise BS and more importantly did the same amount of destruction across the ME as Bush ever did.

And yet Obama was still the Saint. Hillary 'mother of ISIS' was the cats meow. The MSM 'blood riders' were the holy apostles. Etc.

10 years ago I rarely acknowledged the classical left/right road to nowhere 'Moral Emotional Wedge Issues' (abortion, stem cells, gay marriage etc).

I seriously didnt care for such issues, they just didnt matter to me, and I loathed the way each side was exact polar opposites across the board on that stuff, too busy foaming at the mouth over that stuff to sit down together about the stuff everyone agrees on.

Gay marriage in particular, I could see the conservative logic of not wanting them out raw parading everywhere kind of thing. I think a lot of them probably dont ultimately care what they do behind closed doors but are weary of it being toooo socially acceptable and it being a "Pride" (supremacist) thing. But on that I'd say 'eff it give it to them and that's one less wedge issue to divide & distract. Well they got the rights. And sure enough they got even louder about the pride crap.

But even more alarming is they got a bunch of other milestones along those sorts of lines, and yet were out in force even to teh degree of screaming for white cishet genocide... even thought hey already had everything they 'ever wanted'.

I insist this SJW trend wasn't some naturally occuring, organic movement, that at its heart this stuff was the results of decades of hardcore social engineering all come to outward fruition in one fell swoop... with Obama 'being elected'.

This identity politics is the most hardcore Mind Control via Influence possible, I declare.

Now many lib's will look at this and gasp and jerk their knees etc. Thoughts will race thru their head trying to rationalize my argument into me being some nutter...

An idea I can see many churning up against my notion is 'well the right was so down on the ropes after Bush why would the Dem's have to mind control us?'. Logic like that, about motives is one key avenue I could see their abject doubts about my rants being centered.

Now the WAR that was my kind of philosophical terrain, and I stood with the lib's then.

Yet in 2016 I see the left screaming and howling about any criticisms of Hillary's Arab Spring, Obama's drone strikes, the CIA's Al Qaeda operations, the drug war in Mexico their open borders policy has enabled, and so on.

And then the other facet is this is the Information Age. With the Internet our elite masters for the first time didnt have a monopoly on Truth. The longer it plays out without extreme measures on their part the more of it and everyone are a threat to their power.

And you know what, maybe they wouldn't necessarily care all that much if se this one only had one billion dollars instead of three, or that one owned majority stock in 27% market share in [insert industry here] instead of se 34% market share.

But as we intend to be liberated via cyberspace, they intend to gain immortality via cybernetics.

Where if they can get such tech today, that means everyone will be able to afford it in 'a few years'.

And that, to these overpopulation Machiavellian control freak monopoly men maniacs just has to be the ultimate threat.

So with this in mind, looking back on the advent and rise of the Internet, it was about the first year the Internet was actually 'a thing', here comes Ted Kaczynski with his manifesto which ended up being one of the first internet sensations ever. Then the likes of Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, and related anti-NWO OG CT'ers, here comes alternative news sources that anyone anywhere can instantly connect to, here comes Napster, here comes bitorrent, here comes streaming internet video, here comes..........

SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.


Go back to bed America, your government is in control again.

But wait, here comes the anti-war movement, here comes the 9/11 Truth Movement, here comes the anti-Federal Reserve / IRS movement, etc, all overlapping and coming to a head.

So then here comes the Great Recession, Obama and Identity Politics.

Mass Internet censorship now in vogue. Global military imperialism now again whats hot. Everyone too busy arguing to see thought eh facade and rise up as one. The masses on track to be too broke to ever afford the looming life extension technologies.

And so on.

Apologies, yesterday my OP thread came about impromptu in a about three hours flat. Didnt even proof read it. Surely didnt scoop up all the related evidence.

So here goes one related that hadn't occurred to me at the time:

BREAKING? Huma/Hillary endorsed Egyptian US Embassy "protest" on 9/11/12!? Serious Al Qaeda links!?!

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

So OBL came in and lead troops against the USSR, worked with the CIA+KLA into July 2001, and you're insisting he was a Russian double agent because a guy in the Northern Alliance blew up over a decade after the end of the Soviet-Afghan War?

Two days before 9/11, killed by Al Qaeda, of which Bin Laden was the leader.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Right.

OBL's only real threat local was Massoud. But so what?

HyperNormalisation (2016):



Highly recommend this documentary. Adam Curtis' latest. All of his films are choice portholes into various aspect of social evolution, presented chronologically.

This one touches on several choice subjects for the age, including Trump in a not so flattering but not totally outlandish view, but importantly here he shows rare looks into the precarious twists and turns in the relationships between the US, Libya, Syria & Iran. As well as a unique and important look at the Arab Spring.

Now can you tell TEA PARTY types can spot Communist acts and WHO really IS "The Man" ?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I'm not sure what you mean?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Right.

OBL's only real threat local was Massoud. But so what?

Massoud Day, September 9

America's Best Ally in Afghanistan

◾In 1998, the same year Osama bin Laden released his Declaration of War Against Americans with its "ruling to kill the Americans," Massoud wrote that Afghanistan had become "occupied by fanatics, extremists, terrorists, mercenaries, drug Mafias and professional murderers." Citing a "duty to defend humanity against the scourge of intolerance, violence and fanaticism," he pleaded for American assistance

Source

Putin's boy killed America's boy. Then he went on to keep on killing those who opposed Putin.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

You havent explained much.

Putin wasn't even POTUS during the Afghan war. The war was over 10 years in the rear view. Russia was still reeling from the collapse of the Soviet Union, so had way bigger things to worry about. Which US was providing aid for no less.

Putin had just as much cause to kill OBL as he did Massoud. More so if anything it was OBL that showed up with cash & industry and the US and Saudi's to help give Massoud's natives a fighting chance.

Meanwhile, most importantly in the entire Al Qaeda narrative, its historical fact that Al Qaeda / OBL / mujahadeen were partnered fighting side by side with the CIA in the Balkan's from 1991-2001:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Meaning the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce because they dont go anywhere near that (believe me, I read and heavily annotated the report and companion book in parallel cover to cover looking for this part of the history more than anything else).

So you're going to have to explain your position much better than you have so far, as, with all respect, just mentioning tidbits of history and asserting it must have been Putin is the same crap the liberals have been doing for over a year.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Al Qaeda: The CIA Team

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The KGB already played MOST of this, IT'S OLD hat,just gotta be old enough to remember it.