The "Smart" Pill Bottle For Opiates

a reply to: TinySickTears

Me either. Just saying people are nuts over a guy taking a knee in a sports game,

Yet a clear injustice like providing millions more scripts than patients gets a awh shucks that's terrible. Not only that Congress made it hard to prosecute the guys when caught.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
There would be broken good idea
pill bottles everywhere.

I would think that if you tried to break it open you would be put on some sort of blacklist and no doctor would prescribe them to you anymore.
Remember they ARE for pain.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

Then why would the fda and Congress allow so many orders when they know the number of patients?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Me either. Just saying people are nuts over a guy taking a knee in a sports game,

Yet a clear injustice like providing millions more scripts than patients gets a awh shucks that's terrible. Not only that Congress made it hard to prosecute the guys when caught.

Big pharma has a long reach.

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Me either. Just saying people are nuts over a guy taking a knee in a sports game,

Yet a clear injustice like providing millions more scripts than patients gets a awh shucks that's terrible. Not only that Congress made it hard to prosecute the guys when caught.

Big pharma has a long reach.

qz.com...

The pill bottle won't solve this. Stuff.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Me either. Just saying people are nuts over a guy taking a knee in a sports game,

Yet a clear injustice like providing millions more scripts than patients gets a awh shucks that's terrible. Not only that Congress made it hard to prosecute the guys when caught.

for sure

opiates were way over prescribed in this country for years
it is getting better though. it is more of a pain in the ass for people that are legit but it is getting better

cant really doctor shop anymore
pill mills are closing
family docs cant write those kinds of scripts anymore

now with all that going on how is it all these pills are still on the street?

people sell their scripts
people steal them from older family members
people get them sent in from other countries

that is what is happening in 2017

not the same as it was in 08 when you could get multiple scripts from different doctors and the er would hook you up with a months supply.
not like that anymore

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: MissSmartypants

Then why would the fda and Congress allow so many orders when they know the number of patients?

Again big pharma.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Now it's black market through the distributors. And heroine.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: MissSmartypants

Then why would the fda and Congress allow so many orders when they know the number of patients?

it creates an epidemic

no but that is almost 6 years ago

major changes since then

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Now it's black market through the distributors. And heroine.

cause the gov makes money of heroin.
over prescribe # for a decade or so. get some people hooked. clamp down on those scripts and now the people get their # on the street.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Now it's black market through the distributors. And heroine.

cause the gov makes money of heroin.
over prescribe # for a decade or so. get some people hooked. clamp down on those scripts and now the people get their # on the street.

Yep. I always thought this was insane.

www.usatoday.com...

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Now it's black market through the distributors. And heroine.

cause the gov makes money of heroin.
over prescribe # for a decade or so. get some people hooked. clamp down on those scripts and now the people get their # on the street.

Yep. I always thought this was insane.

www.usatoday.com...

yeah thats #ed up.
you cant crush and rail oxy anymore so thats good.

there are definitely alternatives for everyone, not just kids and this is from a person that takes opiates every day

a reply to: TinySickTears

Dont even get me started on ADHD drugs and the latest long term studies. Oops. Don't do drugs kids. Unless a guy with a lab coat says it's OK.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TinySickTears

Dont even get me started on ADHD drugs and the latest long term studies. Oops. Don't do drugs kids. Unless a guy with a lab coat says it's OK.

yeah
adderall is a big thing with school kids around here

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: MissSmartypants

It's probably a better idea to hold congress responsible and stop tying the hands of the Dea and prosecutors.

yeahhh!

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: waggz
I think its a pretty good idea.

Link for anyone interested:

wset.com...

You think it's a good idea for the cops to kick in your door because the pain is so bad you may need another pill?

Not everyone's pain is the same.

It's also a classic example of going after the effect and not the problem.

Arresting the users rather than the dealers.

Yes go right to the top of the pyramid! Huh? What? Are you saying that the Sacklers should be arrested instead?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: MissSmartypants
I saw this on my local news the other day so no link.
So anyway, this guy who's brother had died of an opiate overdose spent $70,000 of his own money to develope the smart pill bottle for opiates. The cap will only dispence the correct number of pills at the correct time. And if you try to break it open it alerts the pharmacy and law enforcement (what the h*ll?). In the future he plans on adding fingerprint recognition as well.
I'm sorry but if my herniated disk hurts worse on some days than others, and I decide to take two pills instead of the one I'm prescribed it's my own business.

May be a moot point here fairly shortly.

www.regmednet.com... c-disease

Denver Back Pain Specialists (CO, USA) announces commencement of nationwide FDA-cleared Phase III study of mesenchymal precursor cells for chronic low back pain associated with degenerative disc disease

This would be a Godsend for many people if it works. Some of the results so far have been people pain free three years later, got that from another article.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: waggz

I think the point is obviously guys with bags of thousands of pills aren't getting them from grannie.

i dont know about thousands of pills but you would be surprised how many people get them from elderly family members.
happens more than you think

a lot of the time it is theft but a lot of the time those elders sell them too.
why do they sell them?
cause they are old and broke and have no money to #in eat so its food or pills.

trust me man. this happens

the 2 largest ways pills hit the street though is people selling their scripts and people bringing them in from other countries.
not even bringing them in personally. people have them mailed to them from people out of the country.

This scenario is more prevelent than the general public is aware. Grandma is in a #pot full of pain and Doc prescribes her 90 Roxicodone (10,15,30mg of oxycodone w/o the acetaminophen/Tylenol) a month to help her deal with the pain.
Of course it makes her sick, she is on a fixed income and she would rather eat than be in pain.
Dependance on an opiate only takes a couple of weeks. ANYONE will get physical addicted to an opiate after 2-3 weeks, thats why smart doctors who know that the patient will have to be on them for more than that will ween them off.
The crux of the problem is that a percentage of people get MENTALLY addicted. That is the real problem. They find that they perform better at work, are socially confident, and a myriad of other things that make them crave the drug.

Withdrawal is pure hell. You feel like you are going to die. But you won't. Alcohol withdrawal on the other hand is miserable too, but unlike opiate withdrawal, it WILL kill you, medical intervention is needed to quit booze cold turkey.

There are ways to successfully get of opiates, Suuboxone is very good as well as a southeast Asian plant called Kratom.

Big Pharma pushes ever increasing addictive opiate compounds and synthetics, then push drugs like Suboxone that costs about $20 a day to get off of them.

Either way, Big Pharma gets rich.

Damn it.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: MissSmartypants


Won't work.

Do you have a link?


The only thing that might help is if the pharmacies only give out a certain number of pills for the month and if you use it up before your refill date then you are sol.

that is exactly how it is now.
i get x amount of vicodin every month and i can get them filled 1 day before i am due to run out but not before 8 am.
new, handwritten scripts for each prescription
no refills
no partial fills
no faxed in prescriptions

Arkansas had a policy like that for a year or two but now they can do electronic prescriptions for opioids, I’m on a low dose of Morphine Supfate Extended Release and Hydrocodone for breakthrough pain from breaking my back in two places. I think this technology is not a step forward, I agree that your average user (not a abusers) of legal prescription opioids have days were they have to take more or less medicine. I can take up to 4 of the hydro a day and many days I only take 2 but if I let the pain get out of control I might have to take 5 or 6. Plus think about the added cost, not to mention if you have an erratic schedule we’re you can’t always take your meds at the same times everyday so it would most likely cause more issues than it’s worth. The only way I can see justifying this is for people at a very high risk and it would have to be something along the lines of leasing the smart bottles from the pharmacy.

Plus you wouldn’t believe the amount of pills that make it to the street before being “prescribed” a semi-local example-
Perryville Pharmiscist Charged with stealing 121Thousand Opiods

A pharmacy audit showed more than 49,000 oxycodone pills missing and more than 72,000 hydrocodone pills missing.

a reply to: Spader

a whle back i was taking 4, 30 milligram roxi a day.
had to come off and i went through the dt's bad. ive been through it before but yes you do want to die.

now i never go above 20 milligrams of hydrocodone a day. that stops the physical dependence. i can and have come off that dose and not gotten sick.

you are right about the mental dependence though. for me now a lot of it is routine. i am not getting sick and feeling all #ed up or anything like that but i do look forward to 7am when i allow myself to take my first vicodin. then at about 9 i look forward to 12:20 when i take my second one. after that i dont think about it until about 8 at night when the thought of joy pops in my head cause yep, 11 hours and you get to take another one.

definitely an addiction but 20 or less stops the physical part of it.

opiates are great if you can use them as directed but if you dont it is the worst monster there is. problem is people dont use them as directed or they get prescribed too much and then for whatever reason they dont come off gradually and they get sick and then go score.

it is very enticing for people to sell their pills though because there is big money in that #.
if you have 100 of those 30 milligram roxi you can get 3 grand for that.

of course people are selling their # and stealing grannies. thats a lot of money

you know what i wonder that will all these new rules for scripts people can still walk in the pharmacy and drop off and pick up someone elses script, even opiates as long as they know their birthday.
the pharmacy does not ask for ID or anything.
just the birth date. strange