Rioting and violence never helps those seeking equality but only helps the authoritarians

originally posted by: Metallicus
Gandhi and King were the wisest of men.

This new breed of violent protester are just thugs looking for an excuse.

MLK is one of my very favorite leaders in American history:

a reply to: JoshuaCox

You, friend, are correct. This does get results but it is by the wrong means. Imagine if there was no violence yet the powers that shouldn't be come in to slaughter anyhow...what happens then? What happens when they play the hand they hold too soon and too strongly? No more powers.

originally posted by: liejunkie01
In the end it's all going to be like Cairo Illinois.

If you have some time just Google what happened in that little town south of me. Now it is a complete wasteland and I will never wonder back into that hell hole again.

It seems we as a species do not learn from our past at all.

Race is not the only equality people are fighting for:

originally posted by: CB328

Authoritarians want to prevent or eliminate all forms of equality

Guess which party doesn't believe in equality??

The Democrats. Oh sure, they tout the rhetoric for equality, tolerance, and anti-bigotry; however, it's all talk. Their actions are inherently racist, intolerant, and very bigoted.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

See my post on the Ludlow massacre. I'm not sure I can argue with your point. Violence does seem to accompany change. However, as a tactic for protesting equality, violence should be avoided for reasons state in the OP. I think the OP and the article referenced makes a pretty strong argument in favor of non-violent protests.

There is no doubt in my mind the authoritarians are begging for violence because they love to crack skull.

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: CB328

Authoritarians want to prevent or eliminate all forms of equality

Guess which party doesn't believe in equality??

The Democrats. Oh sure, they tout the rhetoric for equality, tolerance, and anti-bigotry; however, it's all talk. Their actions are inherently racist, intolerant, and very bigoted.

So what you are saying is because the Democrats do it is why the Republicans do it. Or are you saying because Democrats do it when Republicans do it then it's not that immoral. I'm sorry, what do you believe is immoral?

a reply to: denybedoomed

I was unaware that you happened to be a person without vice. Forgiveness please your holiness.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I know this is your thread but it has been hijacked by yours truly. You have hit a nerve with an immensely important topic and it needs direction. Take the left/right stuff and shove it. With all due respect...don't feed the trolls!

a reply to: denybedoomed

Ghandi’s revolution wasn’t anywhere near bloodless... hell it is famous for the monks who were settled no themselves on fire..


Ghanaian was a “lone” voice in the middle of a violent upheaval..

Which I think is the normal trend..


A group has violent revolts, the government responds with overwhelming force, which pisses off the civililians at both sides. Then a nonviolent voice of reason “wins the day”.

Wash rinse repeat....

If the population isn’t a threat, nonviolent protests do nothing....

We have a democratic system, so hypothetically we don’t have to revolt. We can just vote them out...but when that isn’t an option for whatever reason....

Why would the aristocracy care if the peasants are protesting , but the gears keep turning just fine??

They wouldn’t.

Imho historically, things have changed the second the aristocracy has to worry if they are paying enough peasants to protect them from those they are not....


The second 51% of the peasants no longer respect the establishment. The establishment either makes changes, or the peasants burn it all down.


I hope maybe we are past that, but the OP’s assertion that violence “never works” is just crazy...

As I’m not sure nonviolence has ever worked once...

originally posted by: Metallicus
Gandhi and King were the wisest of men.

This new breed of violent protester are just thugs looking for an excuse.

Gandhi and King were total fools..everything they said and did was a complete failure.

Both peoples they were trying to affect are now BY FAR worse off.

This thread is inaccurate and out of touch.

Frankly peaceful protest and petitions have done just about zilch.

Media controls how things go...the foolish public follows along feeling they have done something to make a change.

Antifa style protests or peaceful protests.
neither really works.

a reply to: BloodStainedGlass

Never said I wasn't a person without vice. Just saying it was a dick move to forbid his wife medical care, then accept it himself.

Best way to protest now, is to hit them where it hurts...

Stay home for 2 weeks, or even 3 days, don't BUY ANYTHING! Don't contribute to society, watch stocks fall and demands met...

Organized stock manipulation via the public deciding not to buy, isn't illegal to not buy something.

Come on scro, create more problems, so we can solve them, cuz that's all we will do, adapt and overcome, lil MLK action.

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined

I think that could actually work. Hypothetically, of course. You KNOW they'd release a new iphone in that case. . .

a reply to: denybedoomed

lol, it's going to happen sooner than later without a basic universal income, automation will reduce consumerism, not increase, so unless they pay robots and program them to buy, big corps will lose money as they try to increase profits, reducing manual labor by removing human labor, thus removing their very consumers.

a reply to: BloodStainedGlass

It's all good. I have no problem with your postings.

a reply to: ParasuvO

I think you are missing the point. It's not about getting "peaceful protest and petitions have done just about zilch." The original article makes the point and I agree with it when protesting for equality violence does more damage to the cause than good. Violence gives the advantage to the authoritarians. That's the point of the thread. It's an opinion. The best way to protest for equality is by non-violence. How can an opinion be "out of touch"?

Look at the videos posted on the Ludlow massacre. It was only when Rockafeller's troops machine gunned the two woman and eleven children to death the strike had the moral high ground. If the strikers started with violence they would have all been shot to death and there would be no history to talk about.

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
a reply to: denybedoomed

lol, it's going to happen sooner than later without a basic universal income, automation will reduce consumerism, not increase, so unless they pay robots and program them to buy, big corps will lose money as they try to increase profits, reducing manual labor by removing human labor, thus removing their very consumers.

We may not need UBI in order to have an economy. It all comes down to culture. The Olympics serve no purpose other than to enrich our culture. There is huge amounts of commerce and economy devoted to the Olympics. Working in factories is not the only solution. We need to come up with meaningful work based on culture. Pay people to successfully complete college degrees. Pay people to learn how to play music. Pay people to do scientific research. At least with paying for culture society is enriched and the people who are paying for the culture are getting something for all their money. We need to value human resources and encourage them to self-realize rather than try to enslave them economically.

a reply to: dfnj2015

It's hard to be definitively for or against violent protest imo. In principle, violence should never take place, but sometimes it's a response and other times it's the only way to get heard.


I guess it's about being organised and having ethical, intelligent leadership. The Gandhis and MLKs of the world are historically few and far between.

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined

I'd rather convince the people with all the power and influence that rather than have the machine crush people's souls into poverty it would be in their enlightened self-interests to stop using lobbyists to create cartels and monopolies at the expense of workers equality. Rich people get bored. Why not encourage and build up the city rather than force the masses in to abject poverty. This way, rich people have really cool things to do in the city on the Saturday night!

a reply to: Kandinsky

The Ludlow massacre the people sold potatoes to get money to buy guns which they used to shoot and fight back against Rockefeller's death squads.

When children are being shot up with machine guns maybe its time. With all the excessive law enforcement violence in the city based on racial profile maybe for some people the time is now.

But I still stand by my original post. Violence does NOT work in favor of those trying to bring about equality. Violence always helps the authoritarians maintain their oppression and status quo.