Baghdad sends military to take control of Kirkuk from Kurds Live updates

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
There are more than enough ATGM's to take out Iraqi and Turkish armor. Some of them have already ended up in Turkey and been used against armor there by the PKK. They are more than qualified to take on the Iraqi troops on the ground, as the only reason they could even get to Mosul was thanks to the Peshmerga clearing out all the territory leading up to storming the city. The Iraqi army sustained ridiculous huge losses to take Mosul back from ISIS.

In regards to ground combat, I fully believe the Kurds can take on Iraq. Turkey on the other hand has better trained soldiers and more advanced weapons they produce domestically. However, the PKK have been fighting them both in Turkey and on their own border for decades, and would probably still be able to hold them at the border.


The only legit weakness is their lack of an air force. We shall see how Israel responds. For all we know, Israel could launch a ballistic missile attack in the event of a full scale invasion by joint Iraqi/Turkish divisions crossing into Kurdish land. That would surely stir things up. Turkey and Israel have a decent working relationship though, so that probably won't happen.


What I think is more likely is the Kurds will be like Hezbollah and be able to keep the invaders from crossing into their border and occupying their land.

Their citizens are clearly well adapted to life in combat, if this twelve year old kid helping repair machine guns is anything to go by. he is probably a fighter by now.

a reply to: elementalgrove


So completely ignore the Kurds? Let those 'saints' in Turkey and Iraq, not to mention Syria, continue blotting out Kurdistan?

Those guys have been steadfast allies right from the Gulf Wars.

Iraq should have been divided into three nations to begin with....with an American military presence just like Europe after WWII. We wouldn't be in the mess we are right now if it was done in the first place.

Do it now.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: elementalgrove

Things are certainly accelerating in Iraq between the Iraqi government and the Kurds attempting to claim independence. It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out considering that they do not have any allies in the area.

Time to suppress the Kurds again.

When Saddam did that he used Nerve gas suppled by the uS gubment.

That nerve gas was intended to off-set Iran, not to be used against the Kurds. Enough reason, in and of itself, to take Saddam out, IMO.

Otherwise, I agree. The Kurds have been remarkable through this insanity and deserve a Kurdistan. We should have split Iraq up into three distinct nations to begin with.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: elementalgrove


So completely ignore the Kurds? Let those 'saints' in Turkey and Iraq, not to mention Syria, continue blotting out Kurdistan?

Those guys have been steadfast allies right from the Gulf Wars.

Iraq should have been divided into three nations to begin with....with an American military presence just like Europe after WWII. We wouldn't be in the mess we are right now if it was done in the first place.

Do it now.

Lol we are allied with Saudi Arabia and complicit with what is happening to the people of Yemen, please do not feign actual concern for the Kurdish people.

We are using them as pawns, the endgame is to take down governments that do not work with us, you do remember what happened in the 90's right?

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: yuppa

YEah the ROMANS renaming JUDEA into palestine and stealing it from the JEws would be a good place to start. And the truth is "palestinians" according to Yasser arafatt(the greates PAli of all btw) and former PLO leadership they are a made up people thought up by them and th eKGB to try and destabilize a US ally.

The Jewish rebellion is what lead to the war that drove all jews out of not only their home land but other parts of the Empire . The Romans tried to work with them but they would not . eta also the Bible teaches that the Hebrew were a mixed bag of peoples ...how far back do we want to go ?

Palis were based on the anchient enemy of most JUdeans and Israelites.The only thing they and the current pretenders to the throne is their name. And the ROMANS were occupiers to Judea and ISrael. They didnt drive the jews out. they renamed them against their will. When rome was run out of town they took alot of them as slaves to europe. They were famous fo rdestroying a people culture and identity and did th esame to the jews/hebrews.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Yemen was supporting terrorism and they are getting what they deserve.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: elementalgrove

Yemen was supporting terrorism and they are getting what they deserve.

Your callousness for the innocent people of Yemen indicates the kind of individual that you are.

A mirror would be a good place to take that comment.

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: elementalgrove


So completely ignore the Kurds? Let those 'saints' in Turkey and Iraq, not to mention Syria, continue blotting out Kurdistan?

Those guys have been steadfast allies right from the Gulf Wars.

Iraq should have been divided into three nations to begin with....with an American military presence just like Europe after WWII. We wouldn't be in the mess we are right now if it was done in the first place.

Do it now.

Lol we are allied with Saudi Arabia and complicit with what is happening to the people of Yemen, please do not feign actual concern for the Kurdish people.

We are using them as pawns, the endgame is to take down governments that do not work with us, you do remember what happened in the 90's right?

Feign? Your are both insulting and a spin-master. The U.S. in not an allied with Saudi Arabia and even less so with Yemen. The U.S. IS allied with Israel. The rest? Mere pragmatism. Personally, I couldn't care less what happens to either beyond stopping an Islamic super-state. I also have a admiration for the Kurds and the Egyptians. (Not that I care one whit if you believe me or not.)

On the bottom are Iraq- the source of ISIS/ISIL, Iran and Turkey. A pox on all three. That leaves the Kurds that garner my support.

Get rid of ISIS and as long as Trump is President, we will be out of there. No regime changing/nation building crap.

I would supply support for the Kurds, perhaps a U.S. base in 'Kurdistan' to deter the Ottomans and the Persians from further temptations. Other than that, with continued Israeli support, I'd be done with the Euro-madness that is ME.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Hopefully the Kurds in Iraq will come to the table diplomatically and send their US/Israeli cohorts packing.

The Us makes agreements to break them. See the Iranian WMD 'deal'.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: elementalgrove

Hopefully the Kurds in Iraq will come to the table diplomatically and send their US/Israeli cohorts packing.

The Us makes agreements to break them. See the Iranian WMD 'deal'.

I meant that they would come to the table with the Iraq government and send the US/Israel packing.

You are absolutely right, those in charge of our foreign policy are nothing but war criminals of the highest degree.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Your narrative is insulting to the thousands that have been mercilessly murdered in the name of Murican diplomacy.

You can spin the reality of what has happened in the middle east all that you want.

ISIS is a creation of the west/Israel/Saudi many other gulf states. For 6 years we have observed this. You remember the video of General Wesley Clarke describing invading 7 countries in 5 years after the king of false flags called 9/11, this is the inevitable result. They used the Obama/Clinton regime to kick it up a notch after taking out Gaddafi and then continuing to assist them against Iraq/Syria.

You may genuinely care for the Kurds, as do I, what they have been subjected to is terrible, but this government and other do not, and I honestly think you would have to be naïve to believe so. They can only reconcile with their own people, outside force is an absurd approach.

They are being used as we have used so many people across the globe to further the corporate interests of our MIC. And all you have done in my opinion is repeated the mantra of the MSM, not a good narrative to uphold if you are seeking truth.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: nwtrucker

Your narrative is insulting to the thousands that have been mercilessly murdered in the name of Murican diplomacy.

You can spin the reality of what has happened in the middle east all that you want.

ISIS is a creation of the west/Israel/Saudi many other gulf states. For 6 years we have observed this. You remember the video of General Wesley Clarke describing invading 7 countries in 5 years after the king of false flags called 9/11.

You may genuinely care for the Kurds, as do I, what they have been subjected to is terrible, but this government and other do not, and I honestly think you would have to be naïve to believe so.

They are being used as we have used so many people across the globe to further the corporate interests of our MIC. And all you have done in my opinion is repeated the mantra of the MSM, not a good narrative to uphold if you are seeking truth.

You, sir, are ignorant. Try boning up on the Sykes-Picot agreement. Then Levant. The 'l' in ISIL.

Then the machinations of the Turks and a new Ottoman Empire. The Iranians with their 'Persian Empire' dreams of regional control. The Saudis- a Euro invention that wants a status quo...the list goes on.

Yes, the U.S. was suckered into these machinations. Israel invention? Really? Do you think a Muslim super-state wants a nuclear powered, Jewish State smack in the middle of their dream nation? Levant, as a concept, has been around longer than Israel has even existed.The Saudis? It is beyond laughable...it approaches pathetic.

Next you'll claim Israel is responsible for the Sunni-Shia fighting....or the U.S. You are too funny.

a reply to: yuppa

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a reply to: nwtrucker

You sir are equally ignorant.

The Yinon Project aka, the greater israel project.

Yinon Plan called for the “dissolution” of “the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.” Each country was to be made to “fall apart along sectarian and ethnic lines,” after which each resulting fragment would be “hostile” to its “neighbours.”

It is great that you support the Rothschild plan, along with the British Royalty when it comes to the state of Israel...

The Balfour Declaration was a brief letter dated 2 November 1917 by Lord Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary at the time, addressing Baron Lionel Walter Rothschild, a British Zionist peer, expressing the British government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

I would not say the US was suckered into anything, we are used to further the agenda and mindsets like yours are why it is a successful plan.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: nwtrucker

You sir are equally ignorant.

The Yinon Project aka, the greater israel project.

Yinon Plan called for the “dissolution” of “the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.” Each country was to be made to “fall apart along sectarian and ethnic lines,” after which each resulting fragment would be “hostile” to its “neighbours.”

It is great that you support the Rothschild plan, along with the British Royalty when it comes to the state of Israel...

The Balfour Declaration was a brief letter dated 2 November 1917 by Lord Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary at the time, addressing Baron Lionel Walter Rothschild, a British Zionist peer, expressing the British government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

I would not say the US was suckered into anything, we are used to further the agenda and mindsets like yours are why it is a successful plan.

Ah yes, the Rothschild connection. Now take a look at the Sykes-Picot vision of a divided Ottoman Empire, endorsed by the Russians in this French and British 'agreement'. The compare it to Levant and it's 'vision'. No economic considerations whatsoever in the Levant version.

One doesn't need an 'Israel' to create differences in Iranian, Turk, Kurd, Saudi relations, one needs a splitting of the Ottoman Empire into insane divisive nations that have both external and internal conflicts. Not Israel's doing.

Perhaps Rothschild, but far more economic interests than just that family. Divide and keep divided ensures no economic or military counter to the Empire where the sun never sets.

In fact, Israel gets along better with it's neighbors- excepting Syria, whom is controlled by Iran- better than ever in it's history. Egypt is completely benign towards Israel since the brotherhood was booted out.(Hence my admiration of that grass root action.) Jordan and Israel have gotten along for quite a while. Even the Saudis are co-operating with Israel.

Yes, peace around Israel and it's neighbors and elsewhere? Chaos. MUST be Israel's doing...and the U.S.'s...and of course, the Saudis. So by your own posts, the only nation that stands against all three is , of course, IRAN.

Your buddies. Not mine.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I think the best example of how Israel gets along with people is their continuing genocide against the Palestinian's.

Another good example is how they treat their own from Africa.

a reply to: elementalgrove

A bit of a family fight breaking out

On Monday, Lahur Sheikh Jangi, the head of the Kurdistan Region Intelligence Agency and a prominent member of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) released a statement on the situation over Kirkuk city. Sheikh Jangi denied claims of media loyal to Iraqi President Massoud Barzani and his Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) that he ordered the Peshmerga’s 70th Division to retreat from Kirkuk and added that forces deployed in Kirkuk were under Barzani’s control, according to Millet Press. “Today’s developments in Kirkuk was Barzani’s plan to pull Kirkuk out of PUK control. It was result of the referendum and repetition of 31 August 1996,” Sheikh Jangi said. “We said from the beginning that this referendum is not aiming to declare independence but no one listened. We tried to announce seize fire yesterday to calm the situation but they didn’t listen and brought this situation on Kirkuk. Barzani should come out now and say something as he guaranteed no harm to be caused from the referendum but no single state supported the independence vote.” Sheikh Jangi also promised to protect “people of Kirkuk.”

southfront.org...

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Damn things are going to get quite interesting, it is time to choose sides!

a reply to: elementalgrove

a reply to: elementalgrove

Here's an article about the West possibly betraying the Kurds.

www.spiked-online.com...