On scene investigator banned from Mandalay Bay, MGM, for life after he discovered this!

a reply to: ArMaP

No-one knows who leaked them unfortunately but someone suggested it could have been a cop at the scene from his cell phone

a reply to: ArMaP

They were originally leaked on 4chan.

Interesting side note, all exif data is stripped from images when they are posted to 4chan.

originally posted by: pravdaseeker
The eyewitnesses, victims, who said there were people shooting them from close by... the other gun muzzle flashes seen and filmed, the extreme lack of spent shell casings, and multiple reports and articles similar to the in the OP make a lot more sense than the official narrative.

Maybe that was the idea when someone leaked the photos, to make people think that there were too few cartridges. Have you thought of that?

And yes, terrible things have been done by governments before. Terrible things have been done by USA government groups in the past. Fast and Furious for one sad example.

Don't forget the terrible things done by what appear to be common people that turn out to be murderers just waiting their opportunity.

originally posted by: JaeG14
The huge mistake this guy did was being impatient and posting everything while he was there. He should have done his investigating thing during his stay and then posted it all after he checked out.

I agree, but he did what people are saying the police should do, so I guess that shows it could be a big mistake.

a reply to: notsure1>>> I have to think they got to Campos and told him to shut up and don't say anything that would contradict the official narrative. I hope he's still alive. I think there were possibly "handlers" for Paddock present, same as in Sandy Hook for Klebold. Or the actual shooters. Their time line got messed up and they bailed and killed him and now the cover story doesn't quite work. The FBI is either too stupid to find their asses with two hands and a flashlight, or they're involved.

Just want to add something about cameras in casinos.

I work on elevators for a living and have helped install many of them. In a casino, there are thousands of cameras from every angle capturing everything.

I have used these camera's after the fact for when someone damages an elevator, or falls down an escalator to prove that it was some drunk bastard , not the equipment's, fault.

How many times has there been some crime committed, and a video of it is captured somewhere and shown on the news?

Will we ever get to see any of these video's?

Maybe it was a hooker. If i had a million dollars and one night in vegas that i knew was my last night on earth there would probably be a hooker there at some point and she might get hungry.

There are you know.. stairs too.



Although these girls will make you seasick.. you get the idea. See any cameras there? I don't. I am sure they have some video of him, but it's very possible multiple trips up and down the stairs were done to get the majority up, they may not not noticed squat while he was moving guns up. I'm also fairly certain as a veteran of the casinos, he was very well aware of the camera situation, and probably knew the best route to avoid the most cameras.

Why didn't the private investigator bother to check the stair situation?

here is one way the guns could be brought up to paddock's room without using mandalay's halls/elevators...if they came from the top four floors OWNED BY SAUDI ROYALS!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: fleabit

I seriously doubt that 64 year old rich guy walked up 32 flights of stairs, especially carrying cases. No way. What would even be the point? He booked the room in his own name it's not like he was aiming for anonymity. Even if he did do the stair thing, he'd still be on cameras within the casino floor... he's not avoiding those no matter how hard he tries.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
They can't ALL be false flags can they?



Nope.

Just sayin.

You guys do the same exact thing every single time there's a shooter.

Every single blessed time.

It's pathetic.

Bang your gong!

It only takes one silly old you! Don't be a tool anymore.

It takes one proven incident to erode confidence in the three letter agencies. I recall we had a Gulf of Tonkin false flag for sure in a Viet Nam port of call. Other people recall more FF's, that one is enough for me to question them religiously about their loyalties. In that false flag, the Gov told us the Viet Cong attacked us at sea in the harbor, when that was a monstrous lie.

The Spanish-American was started by a false flag in NY harbor. We have corrupt people doing crazy , fly by the seat of our pants things and some people STILL defend them, SMH....

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Hello ArMap, thank you for your input here...

Maybe that was the idea when someone leaked the photos, to make people think that there were too few cartridges. Have you thought of that?

Yeah, actually I did, but it didn't make any sense, to me anyhow.. others may see that differently, which is cool with me.

Don't forget the terrible things done by what appear to be common people that turn out to be murderers just waiting their opportunity.

Yeah, I suppose there is always that sticky little psychopathic fact... I suppose I just can't imagine a man who really had the world by the tail... no financial worries at all, at his age; then to go off the rails and do this terrible deed. How could anyone "set for life" like that, at that age do something so bloody insane..

The answer to that is of course that he was just stark raving "bat #e crazy". Again, this isn't really supported by those who have spoken up concerning knowing Paddock.

It is just so much of what is coming out does not support that with me. Yeah, maybe he did some shooting etc, but I am now fairly sure there were others involved. Which opens a whole new can of worms, one that everyone doesn't want to find, even if a lot of the real info tells us it just might be that nasty can of worms so dreaded by everyone.

But, that is just my concerns, or thoughts. Again, others may disagree, which is cool with me. There is quite a list of strange things, or things that don't really add up to fit the official narrative to me.. too many.

You make some valid points, and thanks mate for your input.

Pravdaseeker



a reply to: ArMaP

I don't make too much of the fact he was booted. If you go around any casino taking obvious interest in their security and surveillance set up, you're going to get the boot for obvious reasons.

a reply to: EternalShadow

LOL.... Setting your location to off does absolutely nothing and hasn't since before there were even smartphones!!!

Somewhere around 2004 as the result of a lawsuit or something i believe the fbi was forced to publicly admit that even TURNING YOUR DAMN PHONE OFF doesn't do a damn thing to protect you from your own phone being used by the fbi against you!

They can remotely power your phone on search it's storage use it's mics and cameras to spy on you and likely far more all while "playing dead" (ie your csmera will say it's disabled your location and mic and wifi and bluetooth too can all be remotely enabled etc all while your phone seems to be turned off or etc to you!)

And then there's CELLDAR and other potentially really creepy and paranoia inducing stuff you'll be called a crackpot for even suggesting!!

Independent investigator ?

No, you don't supposed to be doing that or you're branded a conspiracy theorists and the real ones don't exist anymore.

How dare this punk try to show up the official cover-up, I mean investigation.

I think the controlled gun runner angle has the most validity. Filipino contacts set him up with buyers he meets at casinos where he gets VIP access to service elevators. Sends his Filipino contact her cut in advance ($100k). Lays out all his wares with various attachments, makes, models, and ammo available. Have "boom" samples in the trunk as an example of what else can be had for the right price. After the sale he would normally launder his money at the highroller slots, cash out and enjoy his gold card comped sushi.

Due to the obvious amount of hijinks in this investigation I think he may have (knowingly or not) been working with an agency for a controlled sale to a nefarious party. Then something went sideways and tragedy ensued. I do not believe paddock himself was the one who fired thousands of rounds from that hotel room in his loafers and (gloves).

Not to mention the secondary firing position and the case of the mysterious (Jesus).

This whole case is a giant clusterfuc*.

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
a reply to: pravdaseeker

My impression for this specific incident is to go after the FBI agent

That was my thought too a while back before a total power failure for much of the day.
One has to ask, what's the beef with the casino, or is this the FBI playing big boy with the casino, forcing them to railroad the boyo off the premises..in camera, as if that makes, 'something official'.
The freight elevators are not of much import at the end of the day, since it is already acknowledged elsewhere that Paddock's gambling status would have allowed him to use it anyway, if nobody else. Dummy cameras is a falsey too, and makes no sense to a place that whole ethos is surveillance, for obvious reasons..they want your money anywhichway.

Clearly though, it was the casino/hotel that blew the official police version of the pre-concert inside shooting of the security guard, making it the maintenance guy that informed the desk below, as in fact bullets were whizzing about then as heard on the radio call, not the security guy who was injured but conscious..just makes for more questions?
Something is seriously wrong..and we have a Sheriff who is not best pleased with having to makes statements that come back in his face as not being 'quite' correct.

originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Yeah, I suppose there is always that sticky little psychopathic fact... I suppose I just can't imagine a man who really had the world by the tail... no financial worries at all, at his age; then to go off the rails and do this terrible deed. How could anyone "set for life" like that, at that age do something so bloody insane..

We never really know what other people think or feel, even if we live with them a whole life. Some people are very good at hiding what they really feel about others or the world around them.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Yeah, I suppose there is always that sticky little psychopathic fact... I suppose I just can't imagine a man who really had the world by the tail... no financial worries at all, at his age; then to go off the rails and do this terrible deed. How could anyone "set for life" like that, at that age do something so bloody insane..

We never really know what other people think or feel, even if we live with them a whole life. Some people are very good at hiding what they really feel about others or the world around them.

Of course that can be the case, but that's not really the point of this thread, it's more to do with the aftermath regardless of any circumstance.

a reply to: MrBlaq

Just fyi wrt the rounds lighting stuff up like Roman candles part....

You shouldn't have put that part in because it's a dead giveaway that you don't have anywhere close to the experience with firearms you've alluded to possessing in an attempt to falsely take on the mantle of someone knowledgeable enough to authoritatively speak on the subject of firearms and more specifically military grade fully automatic weapons...

I hate calling you on this but people who pretend at expertise in order to "bolster their case" actually irreparably harm the legitimacy and credibility of everyone else who rejects or questions the official narrative on a situation like this! Please don't make a mockery of something serious simply because you wish to have ypur ego stroked... It's repugnant and dreadfully tacky.

Here's where you went wrong with the roman candle b.s. by the way, the "roman candle effect" has absolutely nothing at all to do with fully automatic weapons or anything unique to them...

Those roman candle like flashes and glowing balls of light showing the path of the bullets being fired are a result of some or all of the ammunition loaded into the guns magazine or belt having a pyrotechnic additive compound packaged within the metallic envelope of the projectile which ignites upon firing and burns all the way until it hits the target or the compiund has all been consumed. (Tracer ammunition can also start fires and or finish burning inside the person the round has hit. There's also armor piercing tracers armor piercing incendiary tracers and etc out there for some calibers and weapons systems)

Typically a belt for an m249 or m240 or pkm belt fed machine gun will be loaded with 1 tracer every 3-5 rounds which are there to help the machine gun operator walk his fire onto target or otherwise see where his rounds are going visually and correct his aim dynamically in response to the tracer streams.

This is far from the only use for tracers and many of the other uses have nothing to do with belt fed machine guns or even fully automatic fire.

Bottom line though, no you don't actually know much at all about guns and I'd almost bet money that you've not even once fired or held an actual full auto firearm and you are disrespecting the seriousness of this situation yourself and those you so incompetently lied to and tried to pose as authoritative knowledgeable and informed where the subject of firearms was concerned!

Not cool dude