Once Again There Are Calls for Gun Control, but How are England/Wales Doing With Gun Control?

originally posted by: Painterz
These statistics are a little dishonest.

A 13 percent increase in incidents was what, around 4800 to 5600 or so? And that's all incidents in which a firearm was reported. Not used. Just reported.


If you look at the firearm death rates, a different picture emerges.

In the Uk, 0.23 per 100,000, or 145 deaths. One of the lowest in the world.
In the US, 10.54 per 100,000, or 33,612 dead people.

which is why you need to look at this in percentage and not numbers. The US has 324 million people the UK has 64 million. There is a big difference that can only be looked at in percentages, so as not to minimize the effect.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Frequent mass shootings occur in democrat cities the most such as New York...

I'm curious to hear about the frequent mass shootings in New York City, please list some.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Splashing around percentages is all very well, but that significant-looking "20 per cent increase in gun crime" boils down to 6,375 actual firearms offences per year in the UK, total.

For comparison, in 2013 In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries in the USA and 33,636 firearms deaths.

That's 23.2 injuries for every 100,000 U.S. citizens, and 10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens.

So yeah, I'd say that gun control works pretty well in the UK, considering.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

There might be an increase in gun crime but I bet my bottom quid [1GBP) that number would rise significantly if we adopted the American, bat$hit crazy gun laws....

originally posted by: Painterz

If you look at the firearm death rates, a different picture emerges.

In the Uk, 0.23 per 100,000, or 145 deaths. One of the lowest in the world.
In the US, 10.54 per 100,000, or 33,612 dead people.

Yup, I definitely prefer our gun laws to 'Merica's, definitely more sensible and far safer!

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Painterz
These statistics are a little dishonest.

A 13 percent increase in incidents was what, around 4800 to 5600 or so? And that's all incidents in which a firearm was reported. Not used. Just reported.


If you look at the firearm death rates, a different picture emerges.

In the Uk, 0.23 per 100,000, or 145 deaths. One of the lowest in the world.
In the US, 10.54 per 100,000, or 33,612 dead people.

which is why you need to look at this in percentage and not numbers. The US has 324 million people the UK has 64 million. There is a big difference that can only be looked at in percentages, so as not to minimize the effect.

Looking at it in % increase from completely different base lines is meaningless.

A 100 % increase in gun deaths in the UK would still have a rate per capita rate of less than 5% the US or about 1% in absolute terms.

Were doing fine thank you, when was the last mass shooting in GB versus how many days since a mass shooting in America.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Yeah but we don't have a mass shooting every day so there is that.....

Add to that the figures are skewed to include, for example, carrying a knife (as opposed to using it).

And adding 96 deaths from Hillsborough pretty much accounts for the 26% increase.

Don't know about you but I'd take that over regular mass shootings any day of the week.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Frequent mass shootings occur in democrat cities the most such as New York...

I'm curious to hear about the frequent mass shootings in New York City, please list some.

Are we including paintball?

originally posted by: Flavian
Are we including paintball?

We may have to since he isn't going to be able to produce many.

originally posted by: Kurokage
Here in the UK we don't seem to have mass shootings on a daily basis. Crime has risen here but its no where near the level of gun related crimes you seem to tolerate in the US with your cries of "but the second amendment!!". Criminals will always be criminals and use whatever weapon is available but mass shootings tend to be by people who have psychological problems and want to vent on the world, being able to restrict firearms from those types of people would save lives however you fell about your precious firearms.
How many mass shootings from unhinged people, how many accidental shootings by children because a person couldn't secure there firearm does it take before your country realises that Britain isn't going to invade again or that its not the wild west anymore!
The USA is meant to be the leader of the free world, an example to the rest of us, this is becoming a joke. The bile and hatred you seem to spew at each other for just your political views is bad enough let alone when gun control is brought up.
I do sound a bit angry here but after reading about and seeing on TV mass shooting after mass shooting by a "crazy" person. To then have Americans come onto ATS and defend there rights to firearms and make excuse after excuse is getting old and to now see some replies to this thread is just hysterical.

I would normally edit a quite this size but in this case everything you've said here is spot on, everyone should read it again, except the OP, he should read it through another 100 times. Also, get out of my brain, this sums up my feelings nicely.

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

And you have to worry about walking across a bridge .. so there's that

Only in London. In America you can be shot anywhere from the centre of a sprawling Metropolis, at the cinema, school, college, the beach, all those places with all those guns, no thanks...

OBVIOUSLY all people MUST have personal transporters CLEARED by the government ministries to ESCORT you CRAZY Brits in straight jackets...I'M sorry but WHITE colonialists are VERY dangerous,and YOU are a danger to others.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Another op of rabid misinterpretation and sheer hyperbole, le shock. You are not even comparing figures that contain similar offences inspite of the moniker "gun crime" and if you dont know this then you clearly have not looked deeply at this. If you did know on the other hand, then you are disingenuous at best.

You managed to ignore our different history and culture as well. But you knew that too.

Just more uninformed rubbish about places you clearly know very little about. Go you.

originally posted by: Painterz
These statistics are a little dishonest.

A 13 percent increase in incidents was what, around 4800 to 5600 or so? And that's all incidents in which a firearm was reported. Not used. Just reported.


If you look at the firearm death rates, a different picture emerges.

In the Uk, 0.23 per 100,000, or 145 deaths. One of the lowest in the world.
In the US, 10.54 per 100,000, or 33,612 dead people.

Really wish people would stop including suicides with the murders and the mass shootings.

Some 60% of gun related deaths are a suicide, that should not be included when talking about legislating gun control in response to a shooting.

But I get it, bigger number more impact to push an agenda.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
OBVIOUSLY all people MUST have personal transporters CLEARED by the government ministries to ESCORT you CRAZY Brits in straight jackets...I'M sorry but WHITE colonialists are VERY dangerous,and YOU are a danger to others.

I'm sure I speak for a few of us when I say thus but...


What???

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What a loadof cherry-picked hyperbole, another new low achieved..... Congratulations

a reply to: djz3ro

I see, normal humorists then...nevermind.

originally posted by: Kurokage
To then have Americans come onto ATS and defend there rights to firearms and make excuse after excuse is getting old and to now see some replies to this thread is just hysterical.

The 2nd Amendment remains the single most important legal and philosophical statement ever made. I even wrote one of my dissertations on that very point. It is the only time that the inherent role of the monopoly of lawful violence in defining the nation state has been recognised at the constitutional level (constitution in the conceptual sense, as all countries have some concept of what constitutes their nation even if they do not have a specific document) and weighted in favour of the people rather than the government. The purpose is to prevent the government holding that monopoly. It is, truly, one of the things that defines America as a nation state of the people, rather than just another kingdom run by whoever wins the fight for the throne.

The fact that the American public have allowed it to become watered down is a different matter.

Not an American. Still fighting to defend those rights which form the essence of their liberty, just as they fought to help us defend liberty in Europe.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: djz3ro

I see, normal humorists then...nevermind.

No, just genuinely have no idea what you were talking about.