Vikings had Allah Embroidered on Funeral Clothing.

a reply to: strongfp

They certainly did made port calls in both eastern and Western Med, for both pillaging and trading, matter of fact in one of their sagas, they told tales of fierce fighting between them and black men at sea, although they won, they respected them as great warriors.. This probably took place off the coast of Iberia or north Africa.

a reply to: Spider879

I'm interested in looking into that. Do you have any readings or articles I can take a look at?

Yeah, eh, I am pretty sure there wasn't much merging with Islamic culture and the Vikings. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem very likely to me. Vikings View of Islam

If you reflect anything in a mirror you will "see" symmetry. That is what the researcher did. Sometimes when I look in a mirror I get all stretchy and strange looking. Then I remember I am at the carnival and need to keep an eye out for freaky clowns!

Seems like a good case of pareidolia.

A Muslim would never have a picture depicting Mohamed- it is against their religion


reply to: Spider879

Maybe the 3 abrahamic religions were all united at one point in the past. Then they were skillfully divided with the intent to divide the people and make them easier to control.

People like Jordan Maxwell and Santos Bonacci have been saying how Christianity was originally an astrotheological religion. The true meaning of this religion has been forgotten or hidden from the rest of us. The founder of the Bahá’í faith, Bahá’u’lláh, also believed that the major religions are all from the same source. I know very little about the founder’s spiritual ideas, but I know the United Nations are using the Bahá’í faith for furthering their globalist schemes. You only need to take a look at Wikipedia and see how they wish to implement a New World Order. Anyone with understanding of conspiracies will be suspicious of any group with this kind of aspirations.

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NewEarth also has done a lot to explore this relationship:

Not just aristocracy! Their very kings were wearing helmets and all their weapons – swords and so on – actually most of them.. somebody calculated some 60-70% of them have inscriptions in Arabic and not just any inscriptions but they glorified Allah and so on… While at the same time mainstream history assures us that these two regions were always bitter enemies! And what were then the Ottoman and Islamic rulers doing at the same time – we find a very interesting passage from German mainstream history books where they tell us that the Islamic rulers, without supposedly knowing what they were doing, were depicting themselves with Christian crosses and were even minting images of Jesus Christ on their coins! Well, obviously the history of religion was somewhat different from what we are led to believe nowadays. Obviously the people were much more united than we are led to believe nowadays.

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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Spider879

I'm interested in looking into that. Do you have any readings or articles I can take a look at?

Yes, look up the Orkenyinga saga, written by the Vikings themselves when they were on the eve of becoming Christians, it made mention of a group of Vikings who made pilgrimage to Jerusalem and bathed in the river Jordan.
Be prepared to dig in tho, as this is not exactly lite reading.
Vikings vs Moors:
[Once both parties were on board there was fierce fighting, the people on the Dromond being Saracens, whom we called infidels of Mohammed, among them many a Black men, who put up a strong resistance.

Earling, honored aimer of spears, eagerly advanced towards the vessel in victory, with banners of blood; the Black warriors brave lads,we captured or killed, crimsoning our blades, busy with this Dromons business, our blades we blooded on the Blacks.]
Orkenyinga saga.

a reply to: Spider879

They did trade with eachother. Vikings have been known to wear glass jewlery with arabic writing.

There were captured vikings that converted to Islam and then were freed or escaped back home.

In Spain there was an attempted viking landing in the north of the Iberan peninsula in what is now Galicia. Then it was part of the kingdom of Asturias.

The vikings were routed after stiff resistance was bolstered by the arival of the army of king Ramiro I.

That weakened the vikings by some measure.

Later on in this first invasion, during a second or third coastal raid further south, the viking forces were overtaken by the emirate of cordoba. The vikings lost almost all of their fleet and many were either killed or taken into slavery.

There were ancient customs to allow a slave freedom through military service that the emirate of cordoba might have honored.

There is no reason to think that some vikings could not have returned home with a genuine faith in Islam.

EDIT TO ADD:
Years later, a second and third invasion along the Iberian coast with similar staging points resulted in a similar outcome for the vikings. They always had to press on because they could NOT return home emptyhanded and defeated.

During a second invasion, after fortifications had been built along the northern coast in anticipation of a large viking raid of hundreds of ships, the vikings lost very badly and repeated the last invasions mistakes.

A third wave of invasion by hundreds of viking ships was succesful at sacking several cities in Spain after raiding in France.

Later on vikings just resorted to piracy and abductions of royalty for ransoms.
Large invasion fleets for raiding weren't practical as other naval powers emerged.

Once contact reply to: tadaman
Yes once contact is made between any two cultures for perlong periods influence is bound to follow.

a reply to: Spider879
Far more likely answer is that traders brought back beautiful goods (like the Arabic rings and coins) or that they were gifts from the caliph to a trading party. There were some Norsemen who moved to Spain and made "cheeses of repute" and likely would have been dual-religioned, like they were in Christian lands.

If they were just trade goods they would not have known what the writing said.

a reply to: Ridhya
Interesting, being part of one of the major religions made trading easier.

a reply to: Spider879

It's a pity Islam is seen through 2017 filters in this case. I look forward to further research into the physical bodies in these graves to see what their genetics are.

For example, there has nearly always been an ebb and flow of people from North Africa, the Med and up towards the NW corners of Europe. There have also been mercenaries and people who have been adopted by groups from distant regions. Missionaries too. Massive swathes of the Northern Hemisphere were traced out by trade routes which meant cultures transferred as well as physical goods.

Another thought is these Norsemen had Allah stitched into their clothing as a 'travel pass' to the early Islamic world. The NW European merchant traders were intrepid badasses. We've got pine resin from southern Spain in pre-Roman Britain and hand-axes from Eastern Austria in southern England that date back 5500 years. It's well-established knowledge there were trade ties to the Eastern Mediterranean so the reason behind the stitching interests me more than the existence of them.

"Writes Tarik Hussain"

a reply to: Butterfinger

they would never dare offend Odin!

Vikings ended up guarding what is now Istanbul, called the varangian guard some believe it's where the term vanguard came from.

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Spider879

So it's not "Valhalla".

To be politically correct, the "Valh" part is silent, just like the "k" in known.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Spider879

I were these artifacts pillaged from a raid or did they convert to Islam? They'll never know for sure but my bet is that these were pillaged from Spain

Could be, but the Vikings were as good a traders as they were pillagers, BTW Persian DNA is found in small amount in Viking cemeteries.

There were two kinds of Vikings. The first were the traders, the average people who just wanted a quiet life. They lived in at the far ends of the fjords concealed by coastline, islands and mountains. Then there were the wealthy families. Whenever one of their children was to get married, they would go Viking (to search for treasure), pay for fleets of cargo ships to be built and then raid their neighbors, including other countries. They'd only go violent if people didn't pay their debts, like the monks on that island in Ireland.

It's also possible (maybe) that the Vikings didn't actually know what the Arabic writing even said. I remember reading about the history of early England, where after defeating some Muslims in a battle, the English looted some dies for making coins. These coins, being Arabic designs, of course, had the phrase (in Arabic) from their creed that says (and I paraphrase, as I'm not Muslim) "Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his prophet". The English thought that the Arabic writing was just pretty decorations, and ended up reusing the coin dies, and so there were actually some English coins minted at the time with that Arabic phrase on them :p

a reply to: stormcell

You are mis understanding nordic culture and how it related to the environment around them.
You are correct with the marriage pressure, but it didnt work quite like that.
Remeber these customs predate the viking expansion and creation of the royal houses.
For a young man to marry, he had to prove his worth, either through land (reserved for the first born son) or money (that he earns in some fashion) or by deeds(personal combat with other possible suitors).
The climatic change of the 6th century may have hammered southern europe and much of the rest of the world, it was a gift from the gods, so to speak, as it made the climate of scandanavia much milder. During this mild warm period between 600 CE and 750ish the population of scandanavia more than doubled. Before this population explosion these customs served scandanavians well, but when the climate was mild, the crop grew better, there was more grass for the cattle there was less illness, and fewer children died. So now instead of a family having one or two sons reaching adulthood, they might have three, four or five reaching adulthood. At first the old ways of earning (increaseingly difficult as all the trades are spoken for and increasing stratification that came with wealth meant you just couldnt do somethings), or by fighting.
But the fighting became so pervasive they had to take it outside of their society, so they went viking. Whole boats of second and third sons set out for neigbhoring lands to raid for riches and slaves with which they could buy wives.
It was so lucrative that it became a lifestyle after a few generations.

Cool find! Thanks!

I've studied Viking culture for years, and if this is indeed Arabic, I wouldn't be at all surprised. The Vikings were renowned mercenaries all over the West and near East.

Their custom of slavery was well known. I wouldn't be surprised if a Northman took an Islamic person as a slave after a campaign as a kind of pet and status symbol.

I don't think there is enough evidence to point to the fact that the Viking was a deceased convert. More like his slave was charged with embroidery to some extent, and they used what they knew.