USS Shiloh-It's a floating prison ship

a reply to: FredT

I am not knowledgeable to really comment, but the last year's news has been disheartening.

originally posted by: Zaphod58


This has been going on since long before Obama, and has nothing to do with him. You can find examples of this going on for almost as long as there are public records for the Navy. Toxic commands are as old as the military, and will be around for as long as the leadership refuses to step up and do anything.

Retired Air Force spent time on some missile destroyers (DDGs) after my retirement, and I agree the atmosphere is toxic. I saw 3 Captain's Masts in 3 weeks...This is where they get everyone on the deck with a loud speaker and talk about the errors of some poor sailor as the capt issues Non-Judicial Punishment. 3 weeks was like 3 years...lol

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Seventh Fleet routinely pushes off maintenance and training to meet their commitments. I cited the Essex in another thread to show how bad the problem has gotten. In 2012, the Essex failed to deploy from Japan twice in seven months, because of maintenance problems. In 2013, she returned to San Diego, and was scheduled to undergo an 18 month, $150M refit. That turned into over two years, and something insane like, 300,000+ man years to complete. This was all because routine maintenance was pushed off again, and again.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Aren't the shipyards in bad shape as well? I remember reading something just last month about how their poor state increases the issue of basic maintenance and refits. Just compounds the problems mentioned.

“It feels like a race to see which will break down first, the ship or it’s [sic] crew.”

No, that would be the US taxpayer, who is being systematically drained to pay for all this unnecessary military force.

a reply to: Sagacity

Yeah, it's all been allowed to go to hell. The yards aren't doing as much work as before, either in new builds or maintenance, because they're pushing everything off. Now they want to build up to a 335 ship fleet.

Zaph?

Off sub but not quite.. was there a ship named the USS John A Moore a part of that fleet by chance. Kind of important.

Edit: all i can gather is that ship is based out of San Diego. And ..
Oh my.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Looks like she was in DESRON 1. Her history shows Long Beach, then San Diego in 94, until she was decommissioned.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I don't know what DESRON 1 is. My uncle was the captain of that ship. He was living in Coranodo at the time. But the talk was he was part of the 7th fleet back then. And oversaw the Bush-Gorbachev peace talks aboard a ship in Naples Italy which was supposed to be a seventh fleet ship..

Hmmm...


Edit: yes desron Destroyer..
This was 90? So this problem has been around forever... back on subject.

article 138 is that remedy....stopped nonjudicial punishment in Mountain Home.....stopped it permanently while I was there....
i'm all high power....skinny dipped with Jane Fonda donald sutherland at mountain home

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Nobody skinny dips in Idaho.🙄
And not with Hanoi Jane.

a reply to: Bigburgh

DEStroyer SquadRON 1. They were Surface Squadron 1 from 1980-1993, when they went back to DESRON 1. When Moore was active, she spent a lot of time in WESTPAC, and might have been operating under Seventh Fleet, supporting their ships, but she was officially home ported in Long Beach and San Diego.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank you very much.
Seems every time i try to research my uncle and this ship. I get nowhere. I do remember meeting him at Point Magu California for a meal aboard the ship. ( spaghetti with meat sauce )

Off topic again. Asides from asking him... he never talks. According to the navy he does not exist. Yet talk of the house was he was a 7th Fleet commander.

Example: heres uncle Fritz www.historicchevychasedc.org...
Public records and
www.worthpoint.com...

I look up uncle JWB whom is still alive i get nothing.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Blaming politicians for broad spectrum problems is scapegoating.

I'm not defending Obama, and I dislike and disagree with most presidents.

But they don't control everything, no one has the time.

This sounds like an isolated incident

He never had to spend any more time on the subject than appointing people who would then hire people who did not have the best interests of the military in mind. The decline was overall, that tone was set at the top.

just like the germans learned in world war two, I have bad feeling that the U.S. is going to learn that poor moral and limited high tech weapons are no match for average moral and overwhelming numbers of low tech weapons, in a real war. god help us.

a reply to: Bigburgh

hey there....it was 73 and the property was paid for by mark lane.....the night before the fire mysteriously burned the main building down, jane and donald and joe mcdonald and elliott gould gave skits at compound....

we published an anti war paper and distrib'd on base....little wood platforms at Anderson lake north of MHAFB....12 of us

a reply to: GBP/JPY

😆😆😆😆😆
Elliot Gould!
Please do a thread on this!
"..little wood platforms at Anderson lake north of MHAFB....12 of us"
Er.. erhemm. **Coouugh** ok i was born in 74..😑

If that paper still exist.. is it available for viewing.?

a reply to: EternalShadow

That's fine. Army and Air force. Leastways, one way or the other the members have an escape route. Being on a ship at sea for months (Let alone a sub) does have its draw backs. There are tensions. Crew have cramped quarters. Rely on not so fresh food after a while, water is restricted after a lengthy deploy. (example, no kidding around here) 30 seconds in the shower and out, soap up, then a 10 second rinse. All watched closely by the petty officers. By the time you reached your mess deck, you were sweating again.

Living in close quarters with yer shipmates and you were in wall to wall racks. Strap yerself in during rough weather. No cupboards to stow your clean uniform. Just a small locker. During exercises like RIMPAC, expect turning out for up to an 18 hour watch.

"Darken Ship" at sunset each day. No lights on upper decks. No even a ciggy. Fights were inevitable after a couple of months.

Depends on the leader. I was lucky during my deploys that the Captains led by example so it was tolerable but it also depends on the crew.

Not making excuses for the skipper of USS Shiloh but sooks don't last long in the navy. Imagine as a skipper crewing your ship looking like a rust bucket into a foreign harbor cause the crew haven't got respect for their ship and home. Might be it's becoming too hard. No walking away from a ship or sub at sea after months.

Kind regards,

bally

a reply to: Zaphod58

I have to wonder, knowing that the alien presence is real, if not much of what our and other major military forces do is nothing but a facade, a presentation of power, when, in truth, the expected resolve is absent because the master control for handling major conflicts and situations is determined by non-human minds.

A laughable explanation to most of you I'm sure, but it well explains some of America's actions in the world and even in space.

I think these ships will not be needed until the US government is weakened enough that another world power determines that war would be fruitful. The rogue governments of the world aren't going to face a giant head on. Exploitation of vulnerabilities will chip away what seems to be an undefeatable foe. The problems on this ship are an extreme curve to where our complacency and low moral directs the us military as a whole. Patriotism and American exceptionalism is dead and the armed forces that protect us know and are demoralized. With wars on multiple fronts without clear expectations and
goals with half the government often victimizing the foe what more would you expect from our military.