Slaves...... Really?

originally posted by: cynicalheathen
So the President loses his 1A rights when he assumes office?

Yes, actually. He ceases to be a private citizen and instead becomes head of state and head of government. The constitution is for citizens (or more broadly, any private individual). The President is no longer a private individual until they leave office.

He can be a private citizen at the same time, but in those circumstances you need a clear distinction from that of the office. Trump is not making this distinction here, so it's still in his role as President.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: cynicalheathen
So the President loses his 1A rights when he assumes office?

Yes, actually. He ceases to be a private citizen and instead becomes head of state and head of government. The constitution is for citizens (or more broadly, any private individual). The President is no longer a private individual until they leave office.

He can be a private citizen at the same time, but in those circumstances you need a clear distinction from that of the office. Trump is not making this distinction here, so it's still in his role as President.

Can you point to that in writing?

I get what you're saying, but can find no citation explicitly stating that.

If Trump is just running his mouth, that's one thing. When he puts pen to paper and takes action using the power of the executive, then you have a case.

Slavery ended with the Emancipation Proclamation and laid to rest with Civil Rights . Any imagined after that , is just folks hatin...

a reply to: norhoc

Easy a slave has no option,but an individual can come and go as he pleases,just a simple excuse for someone to slack off,seems they teach it in schools these days

a reply to: norhoc

Actually my job is awesome, but interestingly a client for my workplace was involved in a slavery-extortion ring.

a reply to: gdkknxnqkc

I'm well aware of the race card. Believe me.

But truly, people complain much, and seldom value what they have. The world isn't as complex as people would like to believe. Selfish people rule the world. That, should be more than apparent now, by those who value their own freedom.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: norhoc

Footballers are bought and sold on the open market. Thats the same as slavery!

Rreally? So they don't have any choice at all?

Those poor men are owned like chattel slaves and have to go to that new team owner. They can't just say, "No. I'm walking."

a reply to: Aazadan

He can do ANYTHING, they won't stop him for ,that is a WIDE variance to equate,depending on the politics

a reply to: FHomerK

the problem with this kind of sarcasm is that i see a lot of white people using that rhetoric as sarcasm, kind of like when a drunk says something but there is some meaning to it. there is an increasing anger among some white people that they perceive they are viewed as the boogeyman and they are the racist white privileged devil bad guy that can't dance and gets made fun of on t.v. sitcoms.

i witnessed a fist fight among a said white oppressed lower white class youth and a hispanic minority. the white kid threatened the hispanic with a butter knife and started rambling on and on about his own "white privilege" (he was being sarcastic) before calling the hispanic the S word (a racial slur against hispanics) and eventually getting punched and knocked down by the hispanic man. mind you i was there throughout the entire altercation and the hispanic man never brought up race.

go figure. although that was only one incident i am seeing more and more of this attitude from both sides now of perceived racial injustice and it is sickening that in this day and age people are still clinging to the racism excuse not to better their own lives. IMO the more and more you seek out negativity and "racism" the more you will find it and eventually spread it, especially in todays era of internet anonymity.

Thanks Obama

/s?

So now all of a sudden, folks who whined about free speech, because they can't say the N-word like they used to with out getting penalized, is now cheering lack thereof..OK??

On another note I hope these men continue to take a knee or raised their fist as men! ..about the issue they care about and not be cowed, if a generation of real Men have to have their careers terminated and $$$ cut to make to make that point, for example, 68 Olympics track and Ali, then so be it , they are on the right side of history, their sacrifices will not be forgotten.

How long must our people be a human sacrifice, stand up defend your Rights, liberty and democracy is truly expensive, can even cost your life, and those who stand for nothing, will fall for every little thing, stand up defend your rights.
Paraphrased from Buju Banton.

What rights, the right not be murdered by those who took an oath to protect you.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

First of all, I appreciate not only what you say but also how you say it. It showed respect, which is really quite rare in today's world, especially via the "anonymous" medium of the internet.


Second, I'd never threaten someone. Just not me at all.

But, you know what? I am a 48 yr old caucasian male. I am honestly sick and DAMNED tired of how *I* am being depicted. It's really pissing me off, as I've had the idea that as a white man, I am somehow responsible for anything involving racism, has been thrust at me at each and every phase of my life.

Honestly, the concept of white privilege IS racism. Why am I not allowed to be just as pissed off at someone accusing me of white privilege as someone who as subjected to any other form of racism?


Lately, the notion of "Minorities CANNOT be racist at all!!!!" has been flung around more and more and more.

"Whites are GENETICALLY racist!!!" or something of a similar vein has been flung around just as much and more, and with even far greater vitriol.

a reply to: Aazadan

Amen.

a reply to: FHomerK

i am sorry that you feel the way you do, it is a shame that people of all different colors have to feel this way. the sooner we all realize there are racist idiots in all shapes and colors and as soon as we discourage and ultimately ignore that type of thinking the better off we will all be!

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: FHomerK

i am sorry that you feel the way you do, it is a shame that people of all different colors have to feel this way. the sooner we all realize there are racist idiots in all shapes and colors and as soon as we discourage and ultimately ignore that type of thinking the better off we will all be!

I am not certain if what you just wrote me was sarcasm thinly veiled with kumbaya, or not.

Why are you sorry? Do you actively think that because I am a 48 year old white male, I am therefore racist, have owned slaves, contribute to or believe in racist ideals, was born with some sort of actual privilege?

Do you believe that I am racist, purely because I am of caucasian heritage, based on genetics?

The only thing you could or should apologize to is if you actually feel or felt these things.


All I said, was that *I* am tired of being lumped in with those who truly are racists because I am of that age, gender, and heritage. I did *not* say that racism does not exist. I did not say that all middle aged white men are perfect angels.

a reply to: FHomerK

Maybe you should step up and confront those stereotypes then. Rather than get pissed off about it and cry racism, lead by example and fight it with your actions.

Consider for a moment that they're right. What if you actually are responsible for racism, and by not doing more to stop it you're perpetuating a racist system. What do you do then?

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: FHomerK

Maybe you should step up and confront those stereotypes then. Rather than get pissed off about it and cry racism, lead by example and fight it with your actions.

Consider for a moment that they're right. What if you actually are responsible for racism, and by not doing more to stop it you're perpetuating a racist system. What do you do then?

I would play along, but I have no need to. I am a good person. I have never treated someone as a lesser being. Not even once. I look at what a person can do based on their experience, and what they bring to the table. Actions, not words. And definitely not impacted by racism. My father moved us away from his hometown because he did not want his racist, KKK member father to influence us.

What you fail to understand, is that I *am* pissed about it because I HAVE lead by example.

I truly hope life takes it easy on you. Making such presumptions will only land you in tough spots.

Questioning my reasoning for being upset, and for speaking out about it, and presuming that I may be anything less than non-racist through action or inaction alone.... is still no different than racism itself.

I never would have made such assumptions about you. Just as I don't about others, regardless of background or heritage. I base my beliefs off of actions.

And more importantly, I don't base them off of a LACK of actions, but off of what I have observed. I take all at face value.


How dare you ask me to defend myself. You have NO right do so. I have NOT given you any reason to believe anyone would have the right to do so.

originally posted by: FHomerK
I have never treated someone as a lesser being. Not even once.

Are you sure? You may have done it and not even realized it, simply due to the systemic bias in your upbringing as a white person. I know I've certainly done it. Not through any malice or intent on my part, but due to my upbringing and societal biases I've certainly done so. I'll give you an example, go look up the episode of America's Got Talent (or whichever show it was) where Landau Murphy Jr made his first appearance. I remember my first thought about this guy was that he's probably a gang member, and you can see it on both the audiences and judges face that they're extremely skeptical of this guy due to his appearance which was that of a stereotypical inner city black guy. Then the guy sang, and he sounded/acted more like a classy white guy. You can literally see the expressions change on the judges faces as this happens.

That's racism in action. He overcame it with his actions, mannerisms, and a lot of talent but the deck was stacked against him.

If you ever look at anyone and rate one person above another for skin color, religion, age, looks, personality, how they talk, etc... that's bigotry in action because you're applying your preferences to them.

a reply to: Aazadan

Am I sure?


Wow. I'm done with this conversation. You really would not like my reaction if you said that to my face.

But instead, you just had to go there.

a reply to: FHomerK

I see no reason not to "go there". If you're sure, how can you be sure? Because of intent? Intent doesn't equal reality. The racism in the 50's didn't have any negative intent either, yet it still existed.