Trump Issues Major Executive Order That Enables NON-ObamaCare Insurance Options.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: carewemust

It sounds like he's just trying to gut risk pools further to expedite the collapse. The Spectator author is well aware of this and that's why he thinks it's a good thing. He doesn't want to see ObamaCare fixed, he wants to see it collapse. In the mean time, with people exiting the risk pools, premiums will actually go up for everyone else and insurers will abandon more markets.

The Risk Pools will not be "gutted" because very few healthy people who are above 300% of FPL are enrolled in ObamaCare. There will be even fewer in 3 months, when the 2018 price increases hit.

The working-poor and the sickest Americans are the ones who are paying for ObamaCare plans now. They will still be the ones paying for ObamaCare plans after President Trump's executive order is fully implemented.

originally posted by: Willtell
Rand Paul has some decent ideas about creating huge health pools.

But he’s too libertarian and therefore delusional and dogmatic

As if capitalism will magically make things right---voodoo economics

The sick, the poor, and those who want the government to coddle them, can stay with ObamaCare. It's not going anywhere.

Trump's executive order are for those who treasure their freedom, and have the intelligence to choose well.

a reply to: carewemust

That's exciting. If you can't go through, find a way over or around. Glad they aren't giving up

I am still waiting for the Affordable Care Act to become affordable. I retired for a while (due to health) and my company put forward 9 months of insurance. Due to my potentially "fun ending" condition , I started looking for insurance I could afford. Which would allow me to go to the specialist and oncologist that knew how to treat my specific health issue only at 2 hospitals in the country. Most outside insurance was expensive. Not too expensive , just expensive. Someone I trust told me I should go onto the ACA website and shop. I did. I only found the cheap insurance had a fortune for deductibles. A year's worth of insurance premiums or more. And , I found out I could not go to these specialists at that hospital anymore.
Then I found a major Insurance provider outside of the ACA. I desperately needed to go back to the hospital for surgery by these specialists. The policy was reasonable for both my wife and I for dental , eye care ,hospitals , doctors , etc. And they really didnt care where I got the treatment. They even knew my condition . Same price.
One problem though . Since I had signed up to shop on the ACA , I was considered to already have insurance. No , never entered any kind of agreement with either the govt nor an Insurance company there. Took the insurance company 1 precious month to get my name off the book
Still think highly of the ACA ? Still think the number of people who have insurance through the ACA is correct ?
If you do , you are either not a US citizen , not participating in the ACA , or extremely blind to the facts

The ACA damn near killed me

originally posted by: carewemust
Monday October 9, 2017

Senator Ron Paul and President Donald Trump began working together in late August to remedy this tragedy.

Ron Paul? I did not see him mentioned in the article. Where did you get that info from?

And this is page 3 and no one has brought this up yet?

originally posted by: carewemust
Monday October 9, 2017

1.) Allowing coverage to be purchased through association health plans,

2.) Encouraging the sale of short-term medical insurance, and

3.) Permitting pretax funds from health reimbursement accounts (HRAs) to be used for premiums on health plans.

THAT BASTARD!!!

I'll say the same thing that I said when Obama used his 'mighty pen' to ignore federal law: Shouldn't the president be forced to follow the laws passed by Congress unless he can have them changed legislatively?

This is no different than the Dream Act, where it ignores federal law.

Can someone compel me to think that this is appropriate given the way that our government is designed to work?

I'm not saying that I disagree with the proposed changes, just the avenue of attack.

originally posted by: carewemust
Monday October 9, 2017

With tens of millions of people making too much money to afford ObamaCare health insurance

How does one make too much money to afford something?

Still supporting Trump disobeying federal law though, I see. I guess you don't care about that whole "Law and Order" shtick after all. Just that the laws you like are obeyed.

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Black_Fox
So when does the fine for not having insurance go away?

There are literally people out there who cant afford it, so they get fined for being too poor?

You mean the TAX?
That the clown said is not a TAX?
They should pay back everyone that paid that bullsh!t.

HELL YEAH!!! 😗😗😙😙😚😚

originally posted by: Black_Fox
So when does the fine for not having insurance go away?

There are literally people out there who cant afford it, so they get fined for being too poor?

That is me, with the cost raise it is beyond us to buy the insurance in January so we will be fined.
I don't even have to support children and I wonder how the many people with less income than us are making it buy the insurance. They can barely buy the high-cost gas for their vehicles. Our options did not leave any MDs here any way they are all not taking new patients and our deductible made it near worthless.

originally posted by: carewemust

With tens of millions of people making too much money to afford ObamaCare health insurance, Senator Ron Paul and President Donald Trump began working together in late August to remedy this tragedy.

Do you mean Rand Paul? (Just curious.)

Further ... so you're okay now with the Executive Branch contravening our laws and issuing dictation from the White House?

My my how times have changed.

originally posted by: swedy13
a reply to: carewemust

That's exciting. If you can't go through, find a way over or around. Glad they aren't giving up

The President is demonstrating what is foreign to so many elected officials..LEADERSHIP.

Many of us have sent over a hundred messages to the White House and key Senators asking for help. If you make over $40K and have to buy ObamaCare, you're screwed.

From 2013 to 2017 Illinois ObamaCare premiums went up 165%! 40% of the state's physicians no longer accept ObamaCare patients. $14,300 husband/wife deductible. 2018 there will only be 2 companies selling ObamaCare coverage in the Chicago area.

Millions of hard working middle/upper-middle class Americans will be THRILLED once the details come out, later this week. Unlike the formaldehyde-pickled swamp creatures in Congress, President Trump listens and ACTS!

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: carewemust

With tens of millions of people making too much money to afford ObamaCare health insurance, Senator Ron Paul and President Donald Trump began working together in late August to remedy this tragedy.

Do you mean Rand Paul? (Just curious.)

Further ... so you're okay now with the Executive Branch contravening our laws and issuing dictation from the White House?

My my how times have changed.

Yes.. RAND Paul. Rand and Donald started working on this in August. Even if ObamaCare Repeal-Replace was passed, it would not have begun to kick in until 2020. People who are "wealthy" by government standards, are HURTING NOW.

This is not contravening our laws. The President/HHS is using an existing 1974 law/rule that the Democrats intentionally exempted from ObamaCare restrictions, in 2010. It's called ERISA: ( www.dol.gov... ).

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: nwtrucker

Hope the math works better,when they aren't lawyers

right....why involve people that know the law.

a reply to: Gothmog


Thank-you for sharing your (miserable) experience with the unAffordable Care Act, Gothmog. Unless your income is low enough to get the "Cost Sharing Reduction" benefit, ObamaCare is now expensive "junk".

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
I'll say the same thing that I said when Obama used his 'mighty pen' to ignore federal law: Shouldn't the president be forced to follow the laws passed by Congress unless he can have them changed legislatively?

This is no different than the Dream Act, where it ignores federal law.

Can someone compel me to think that this is appropriate given the way that our government is designed to work?

I'm not saying that I disagree with the proposed changes, just the avenue of attack.

Congress did not change the ERISA law. It is the same as it was when passed in 1974. President Trump's Executive Order will not touch the ObamaCare law...This is the equivalent of granting a permit for insurance companies to build a new house on a different piece of existing property.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: carewemust

Maybe I'll be able to get health insurance soon.

Same here... I'd love to be able to afford health insurance. I'm not rich enough that I don't miss the monthly payment and I'm not poor enough that everyone pays for mine.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: carewemust
Monday October 9, 2017

With tens of millions of people making too much money to afford ObamaCare health insurance

How does one make too much money to afford something?

Still supporting Trump disobeying federal law though, I see. I guess you don't care about that whole "Law and Order" shtick after all. Just that the laws you like are obeyed.

Maybe paying $600 a month for a $7,500 deductible health plan on a $40,000 a year annual salary is attractive to you, KrazyshOt. The 2010 Democrat-majority Congress felt the same way...and that belief never changed during any of the years when Obama was in charge of the ACA.

He's not disobeying any Federal Law. See my prior post(s) on that subject.

originally posted by: Black_Fox
So when does the fine for not having insurance go away?

There are literally people out there who cant afford it, so they get fined for being too poor?

Lie on your taxes, I do. I'd rather be busted one day for lying than to pay for someone else to have health insurance when I can't afford it myself.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

SeaWorthy, if the price for health insurance in your zip code is more than 8.16% of your monthly income, then you will not have to pay the ObamaCare penalty/tax/fine. That calculation is in the worksheet for calculating said penalty/tax/fine, when you file your 2017 tax return.

President Trump also signed an Executive Order in Feb 2017 that exempts all taxpayers from having to fill out box 61 of IRS form 1040. That's the box which asks if you have health insurance. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to.

REF: www.businessinsider.com...