North Korea... Oh boy...

They just disclosed they have nuclear weapons?
That Kim guy is going a good job scaring people, including his own people. He even gassed, and gas his own citizens for not agreeing. He is crazy, so crazy that he may launch against China, Japan, and South Korea.
He do not care about this own citizens, what make people think he care about sanctions.
You can not deny that something is brewing.
China may get a taste of its own stupidity for helping NK with nuclear and nuke carriers. China will not defend NK, and they are on the U.S.'s side on this. China can provide direct land access to northern NK, as retaliation to China, NK can.... well, NK has the ability to launch at major Chinese cities, as well as
SK and Japan... if anything goes, Japan will get it for sure.
I think you guys know where I'm going with this...
How should we do it if NK becomes the aggressor? And how?


[edit on 10-2-2005 by Inhotep]

Being discussed in depth here already :-)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ah, I was wondering where it was hiding.

Well, let’s discuss about the techniques, types of units, weapons, physiological war fare.
If this is going down, it is going to be a pow!
This could turn into nastiest thing to mankind ever.

Originally posted by Inhotep
Ah, I was wondering where it was hiding.

Well, let’s discuss about the techniques, types of units, weapons, physiological war fare.
If this is going down, it is going to be a pow!
This could turn into nastiest thing to mankind ever.

This little man is starving for attention isn't he? He seems to 'act out' every few months.

Do we even know (for a fact) that this guy has what he claims? Where did he get his plutonium? It has to be 'weapon's grade' plutonium in order to make a decent bomb. Plutonium from 'spent fuel' would be useless in manufacturing nuclear WMDs. (I may be wrong)

Anyway, China and Japan will take care of NK. They are the ones in the greatest danger if it is true.

I don't believe he could reach the U.S. He'd need to have the ability to transport those bombs, which is another feat all together.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by SourGrapes]

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by Inhotep
Ah, I was wondering where it was hiding.

Well, let’s discuss about the techniques, types of units, weapons, physiological war fare.
If this is going down, it is going to be a pow!
This could turn into nastiest thing to mankind ever.

This little man is starving for attention isn't he? He seems to 'act out' every few months.

I agree. That guy is totally a big, wild drama queen, a drama queen that kills his own people and has real military powers. He uses funding and international aid to fuel his military rather than to feed his citizens. What an freaking a##hole!@
He has some major physiological issues, indeed. The biggest fear is his brain.
If he is BSing about nuclear, well, we know for sure he has biological weapons. His government put political prisoners in to the chamber all the time.
Here are something interesting. 1) The jet stream will carry radio-active fallout right to the U.S., takes about few days. 2) Lets look at the CIA’s world fact book, updated on 1.15.05 ttp://cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/kn.html
Some interesting reading.



[edit on 10-2-2005 by Inhotep]

[edit on 2-10-2005 by ProudAmerican]

Your link isn't working.

I'm not sure I understand this statement, "The jet stream will carry radio-active fallout right to the U.S., takes about few days"?

To put is in a simple answer, a jet stream is a concentrated stream of wind that counter rotate the earth. Airplanes will try to catch the jet stream when traveling from west to east, as it saves fuel and can fly much faster. You can see the real time animation of the jet stream, updated every 6 hours:
squall.sfsu.edu...

And the CIA link was missing a ‘h’ in the http syntax. Ttp://… sorry
Here is the link again
cia.gov...


[edit on 10-2-2005 by Inhotep]

Originally posted by Inhotep
And the CIA link was missing a ‘h’ in the http syntax. Ttp://… sorry
Here is the link again
cia.gov...


[edit on 10-2-2005 by Inhotep]

Excerpt:

In mid-2003 Pyongyang announced it had completed the reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel rods (to extract weapons-grade plutonium) and was developing a "nuclear deterrent." Since August 2003 North Korea has participated in six-party talks with the United States, China, South Korea, Japan, and Russia to resolve the stalemate over its nuclear programs.

Seems he is using 'spent' nuclear fuel rods to "extract weapons-grade plutonium". (Could this be 'why' the U.S. Government isn't as concerned as the media is with this announcement?)

"Spent fuel from a power reactor contains some weapons-usable Pu-239, but it also contains other isotopes of plutonium such as Pu-238, 240, 241. Those other isotopes cannot be readily separated from the Pu-239 and they make building a bomb much more difficult, if not impossible. Plutonium from spent fuel is usually called "reactor grade" plutonium. "Weapons grade" plutonium is specifically Pu-239 and is intentionally manufactured in a specially designed reactor to maximize that isotope. I forget, but the standard is something like 90-plus percent Pu-239 is considered "weapons grade".

Stolen Plutonium

Perhaps he picked up some of this at the weekly Dictator's Fleemarket. Seriously, with enough money (read missused foreign aid) any country could probably get enough plutonium to assemble at least a couple devices.

Originally posted by Montana
Stolen Plutonium

Perhaps he picked up some of this at the weekly Dictator's Fleemarket. Seriously, with enough money (read missused foreign aid) any country could probably get enough plutonium to assemble at least a couple devices.

I think this is the scariest part of the article:

"She added that the dangers of an unsupervised, underground market in nuclear material were likely to grow, noting that a U.S.-sponsored program to secure nuclear components in the former Soviet Union thus far had only locked up about a third of an estimated 600 tons of weapons-usable material."

Not just the russian problem, but NK's best buds to the south. An excellent site on the current state of China's nuclear material control program. Or lack thereof.

China

Originally posted by sensfan
Being discussed in depth here already :-)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As I posted there...why is this being discussed in "terror" fora???!!

I have no doubt that special forces would play an impotant role in any war with North Korea. Assuming England and commonwealth forces are invovled the SAS would provide important capabilities that there american counterparts dont have.

Originally posted by Daedalus3

Originally posted by sensfan
Being discussed in depth here already :-)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As I posted there...why is this being discussed in "terror" fora???!!

Because this is about the weapons involved in this situation. If and when it will go sour, what will be used, from every country involved. Also about various military tactics.

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by Montana
Stolen Plutonium

Perhaps he picked up some of this at the weekly Dictator's Fleemarket. Seriously, with enough money (read missused foreign aid) any country could probably get enough plutonium to assemble at least a couple devices.

I think this is the scariest part of the article:

"She added that the dangers of an unsupervised, underground market in nuclear material were likely to grow, noting that a U.S.-sponsored program to secure nuclear components in the former Soviet Union thus far had only locked up about a third of an estimated 600 tons of weapons-usable material."

This is pretty scrary. Lets take an educated guess where some of the missing weapon grade plutonium is right now? And NK is very overt about the nukes..
I think it is unlikely that they will risk being attacked right now if they don't have something in their pants. Why would the major countries bother with them if they do not have sufficient evidence. Even the A-bombs droped during WWII killed ~300,000 < people. That was only 60 years ago.

NK missiles, have extrememly low CEP, making it possible for them to be aimed at a city and most likely even explode during launch, or land in the sea. China would not allow any type of 'peace keeping force' to land on there land, and then invade NK.

Originally posted by Inhotep

Originally posted by Daedalus3

Originally posted by sensfan
Being discussed in depth here already :-)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As I posted there...why is this being discussed in "terror" fora???!!

Because this is about the weapons involved in this situation. If and when it will go sour, what will be used, from every country involved. Also about various military tactics.

yes but it has NOTHING to do with TERRORISM... If NK launches nukes at the US it is an ACT OF WAR..NOT TERRORISM..
Man!! you yanks will call anything terrorism now!!

If, by chance an american ship is sunk by an Iranian sunburn in some near future scenario of a regime change op in Iran...
TERRORIST strikes!!
You cannot hold the actions of sovereign nations who are willing publicising their intentions as terrorism..

Originally posted by Daedalus3

yes but it has NOTHING to do with TERRORISM... If NK launches nukes at the US it is an ACT OF WAR..NOT TERRORISM..
Man!! you yanks will call anything terrorism now!!

If, by chance an american ship is sunk by an Iranian sunburn in some near future scenario of a regime change op in Iran...
TERRORIST strikes!!
You cannot hold the actions of sovereign nations who are willing publicising their intentions as terrorism..

Hmmm, I see it under "Weaponry". Maybe it's been moved?

He is bluffing, to get attention as they say.
Let him try and use one. He knows it's game over.
I don't think he's as mad as it seems. His father schooled him in the arts of
deception. More of concern is transferring a weapon or fissible material to islamic fascists. I would watch him very carefully, waiting for the perfect moment to pull the trigger. With future tech, a fully stealth predator style precision tactical (100 ton) nuke on his motorcade ? South Korea would have to step up to the plate with massive deprogramming efforts and aid to avoid civil war. But eventually the problem will be dealt with. If he is really serious let's see a surface test demonstration with lots of flags and that weird synchronized dancers.

Originally posted by SourGrapes


Hmmm, I see it under "Weaponry". Maybe it's been moved?

No no..I was talking about the one in the terror forum and the one in ATSNN terror analysis..
This is the correct forum to post in..
Infact when this thread picked up, somebody posted a link to the other thread saying that the discussion had already matured a lot there..

www.abovetopsecret.com...