It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: grindhouzer
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: 34thRight
Also a good point, Jesus was incredible lonely. The story about him and Magdalena is unproven. He never had children. He might have died a virgin.
In the rows of his followers was the one ratting him out. There's always a great distance between the one leading and those following.
I love how your talking like "Jesus" has been proven to exist, then in the next breath, say that a "story ABOUT JESUS" is unproven. Then back to supposed facts.
Can you please show me proof of Jesus existence? and no - the bible doesn't count.
Thallus (52AD) Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion: “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)
Tacitus (56-120AD) Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame: “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD) Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”: “What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”
Phlegon (80-140AD)
“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)
“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)
A delusion of grandeur is the fixed, false belief that one possesses superior qualities such as genius, fame, omnipotence, or wealth. It is most often a symptom of schizophrenia, but can also be a symptom found in psychotic or bipolar disorders, as well as dementia (such as Alzheimer's).
Mainly, this is what would happen on an average dose: take an hour to begin after drinking, then shortly afterwards you would "peak" or what I used to call have a mind orgasm, which was what it felt like, and was extremely intense.
originally posted by: SeaWorthy
originally posted by: grindhouzer
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: 34thRight
Also a good point, Jesus was incredible lonely. The story about him and Magdalena is unproven. He never had children. He might have died a virgin.
In the rows of his followers was the one ratting him out. There's always a great distance between the one leading and those following.
I love how your talking like "Jesus" has been proven to exist, then in the next breath, say that a "story ABOUT JESUS" is unproven. Then back to supposed facts.
Can you please show me proof of Jesus existence? and no - the bible doesn't count.
Actually, if you mean his existence there are a lot of accounts by non-Christians.
Thallus (52AD) Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion: “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)
Tacitus (56-120AD) Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame: “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD) Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”: “What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”
Phlegon (80-140AD)
“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)
“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)
Many more examples here.
coldcasechristianity.com...
originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: 34thRight
OP, have you ever read the books by Neal Donald Walsh - Conversations with God? In his books, he seems to relay that through multi-reincarnations and multiple times and space, you are me and I am you. We are everyone who ever was...be it Jesus or Hitler! It is a tough concept but falls under love another as brothers...since you are technically. It doesn't mean you are changing in this lifetime to someone else. You are you and God has a plan for you. Sort of an overall, we are one, collectively apart of God himself sort of thing. It doesn't take anything away from God, but it does point out the fallacies in manmade religions.
I read many posters have jumped on attacking your relationship with this woman. Realize that you bringing her up the way you did in your initial posting, lends it self to you subconsciously questioning her as well. So naturally, members will insightfully reason, there may be the cause of your consternation.
This is simply my own opinions. The books by the author above can be found in PDF form online for free. Just google it. I am not saying the authors ideas are absolutely correct, but it may help you in gaining a focus on your dreams and or visions. Hope this helps.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: 34thRight
OP, have you ever read the books by Neal Donald Walsh - Conversations with God?
originally posted by: grindhouzer
originally posted by: SeaWorthy
originally posted by: grindhouzer
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: 34thRight
Also a good point, Jesus was incredible lonely. The story about him and Magdalena is unproven. He never had children. He might have died a virgin.
In the rows of his followers was the one ratting him out. There's always a great distance between the one leading and those following.
I love how your talking like "Jesus" has been proven to exist, then in the next breath, say that a "story ABOUT JESUS" is unproven. Then back to supposed facts.
Can you please show me proof of Jesus existence? and no - the bible doesn't count.
Actually, if you mean his existence there are a lot of accounts by non-Christians.
Thallus (52AD) Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion: “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)
Tacitus (56-120AD) Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame: “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD) Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”: “What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”
Phlegon (80-140AD)
“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)
“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)
Many more examples here.
coldcasechristianity.com...
Sorry, but this is still not proof.
This is just a Christian Website - not providing any links or references to their claims.
And their evendence is written....you guessed it....in the bible. THIS IS NOT PROOF
originally posted by: grindhouzer
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: 34thRight
Also a good point, Jesus was incredible lonely. The story about him and Magdalena is unproven. He never had children. He might have died a virgin.
In the rows of his followers was the one ratting him out. There's always a great distance between the one leading and those following.
I love how your talking like "Jesus" has been proven to exist, then in the next breath, say that a "story ABOUT JESUS" is unproven. Then back to supposed facts.
Can you please show me proof of Jesus existence? and no - the bible doesn't count.