Russia has helped Kim develop a nuclear capability

a reply to: Revolution9

I wrote this to inform you, U.S. I don't want Russia to be like this, but they are.

They just can't play the freedom game. They have never been any good at it. Putin had EVERY chance to change and join in with the EU. He chose this path. It will DEFINITELY be his downfall. He is not omnipotent and neither is he indestructible.

He is a journalist murdering, radiation poisoning, MOB MURDERER. He will get his karma.

Don't worry about China. We are too bound in with trade now together. It is Russia you should worry about. They play a very clever and a very dirty game.

a reply to: Revolution9

Never mind. I thought this might be an opportunity for an interesting discussion. I see I was wrong.

a reply to: Revolution9

Russia has also ignored the U.N. Sanctions, by giving North Korea an Internet Connection...

(Reuters) - North Korea has opened a second internet connection with the outside world, this time via Russia, a move which cyber security experts said could give Pyongyang greater capability to conduct cyber attacks.

North Korea has been blamed by Western governments for several major cyber attacks in recent years, including against banks and Sony Pictures (6758.T), as well as the WannaCry ransomware attack that froze computers unless their owners sent cash. Pyongyang has denied any involvement.

Source: www.reuters.com...

Teaming up to influence the next U.S. election I bet.

a reply to: Revolution9

You know what year this started right?


The US might as Well have approved these trasnfers. The US were very involved with the Ukraine government and Ukrain intelligence before 2012 when this was first noticed by the Ukrainian translater to the NK spies that were cought.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Gothmog
Believable
The only reason NK exists as a separate country is they wanted a Soviet Union communist friendly country to flank China

Even when the Soviet Union was around North Korea was closer to the Chinese sphere of influence than the Soviet one.

They've never really been a client of either save for a brief period from 1948-1950, since the guiding ideology of the DPRK, Juche, stresses self-reliance and independence over international socialism.

Again , The Soviet Union is the only reason NK exists
Check it out. In fact , that is probably the reason China and the US entered in a mutual non-aggression pact designed against the Soviet Union.
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Gothmog
Believable
The only reason NK exists as a separate country is they wanted a Soviet Union communist friendly country to flank China

Even when the Soviet Union was around North Korea was closer to the Chinese sphere of influence than the Soviet one.

They've never really been a client of either save for a brief period from 1948-1950, since the guiding ideology of the DPRK, Juche, stresses self-reliance and independence over international socialism.

Again , The Soviet Union is the only reason NK exists
Check it out. In fact , that is probably the reason China and the US entered in a mutual non-aggression pact designed against the Soviet Union.
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Yes it is. Due to the occupation of Korea following Japan's surrender in the second world war. America's occupation of South Korea is the only reason that country exists today as well.

That has no bearing on Moscow-Pyongyang relations after the fact. It's fairly well documented that they got progressively worse and worse since the death of Stalin.

Indeed they started to get pretty bad even during the Korean war due to Kim Il-sung's perceived betrayal by Stalin from his refusing to directly intervene in Kim Il-sung's, at that point, disastrous war against the South.

Things got worse since Kim Il-sung did not take kindly to the destalinisation going in the Soviet Union during the period following the end of the war, and he further soured relations with Moscow by attempting to use the Sino-Soviet split to play the rival countries off against each other to Korea's benefit.

By the late 80s the DPRK was all but isolated from Soviet diplomatic circles.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Revolution9

Russia has also ignored the U.N. Sanctions, by giving North Korea an Internet Connection...

(Reuters) - North Korea has opened a second internet connection with the outside world, this time via Russia, a move which cyber security experts said could give Pyongyang greater capability to conduct cyber attacks.

North Korea has been blamed by Western governments for several major cyber attacks in recent years, including against banks and Sony Pictures (6758.T), as well as the WannaCry ransomware attack that froze computers unless their owners sent cash. Pyongyang has denied any involvement.

Source: www.reuters.com...

Teaming up to influence the next U.S. election I bet.

North Korea has had Internet services long before that.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Revolution9

Russia has also ignored the U.N. Sanctions, by giving North Korea an Internet Connection...

(Reuters) - North Korea has opened a second internet connection with the outside world, this time via Russia, a move which cyber security experts said could give Pyongyang greater capability to conduct cyber attacks.

North Korea has been blamed by Western governments for several major cyber attacks in recent years, including against banks and Sony Pictures (6758.T), as well as the WannaCry ransomware attack that froze computers unless their owners sent cash. Pyongyang has denied any involvement.

Source: www.reuters.com...

Teaming up to influence the next U.S. election I bet.

North Korea has had Internet services long before that.

Yes..but the U.S. Cybercommand super hackers have been jamming up the existing North Korean internet. And, since North Korea got their internet from China, and China is now mad at North Korea, North Korea went to Russia for help.

North Korea had previously gotten its internet through a hardwire to China, but that's no longer the case: Now, it has a second link to the world wide web through Russia cybersecurity firm FireEye told Bloomberg. This confirms an initial report by site 38 North that claimed the secondary connection went active on Sunday.

This gives North Korea an alternative method of accessing the internet -- which, aside from the obvious benefit of redundant access, might mitigate the damage from foreign attempts to block their service. A report on Sunday revealed that US Cybercommand had been harassing the North Korean government's hacking group with denial-of-service attacks for six months. It's unclear if their method would be as effective now that the East Asian country has a second line to the outside internet.

Source: www.engadget.com...

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Revolution9

Russia has also ignored the U.N. Sanctions, by giving North Korea an Internet Connection...

(Reuters) - North Korea has opened a second internet connection with the outside world, this time via Russia, a move which cyber security experts said could give Pyongyang greater capability to conduct cyber attacks.

North Korea has been blamed by Western governments for several major cyber attacks in recent years, including against banks and Sony Pictures (6758.T), as well as the WannaCry ransomware attack that froze computers unless their owners sent cash. Pyongyang has denied any involvement.

Source: www.reuters.com...

Teaming up to influence the next U.S. election I bet.

North Korea has had Internet services long before that.

Yes..but the U.S. Cybercommand super hackers have been jamming up the existing North Korean internet. And, since North Korea got their internet from China, and China is now mad at North Korea, North Korea went to Russia for help.

North Korea had previously gotten its internet through a hardwire to China, but that's no longer the case: Now, it has a second link to the world wide web through Russia cybersecurity firm FireEye told Bloomberg. This confirms an initial report by site 38 North that claimed the secondary connection went active on Sunday.

This gives North Korea an alternative method of accessing the internet -- which, aside from the obvious benefit of redundant access, might mitigate the damage from foreign attempts to block their service. A report on Sunday revealed that US Cybercommand had been harassing the North Korean government's hacking group with denial-of-service attacks for six months. It's unclear if their method would be as effective now that the East Asian country has a second line to the outside internet.

Source: www.engadget.com...

Okay, and? Internet is a fairly essential piece of infrastructure in this day and age.

It doesn't seem that their service from China was terminated.

China probably isn't as mad at North Korea as you think they are. They have tolerated far worse, and will continue to do so since the survival of the DPRK is within China's interests, a Pro-American regime hosting a not insignificant amount of American servicemen and equipment with a border so close to Beijing is not.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Revolution9

Russia has also ignored the U.N. Sanctions, by giving North Korea an Internet Connection...

(Reuters) - North Korea has opened a second internet connection with the outside world, this time via Russia, a move which cyber security experts said could give Pyongyang greater capability to conduct cyber attacks.

North Korea has been blamed by Western governments for several major cyber attacks in recent years, including against banks and Sony Pictures (6758.T), as well as the WannaCry ransomware attack that froze computers unless their owners sent cash. Pyongyang has denied any involvement.

Source: www.reuters.com...

Teaming up to influence the next U.S. election I bet.

North Korea has had Internet services long before that.

Yes..but the U.S. Cybercommand super hackers have been jamming up the existing North Korean internet. And, since North Korea got their internet from China, and China is now mad at North Korea, North Korea went to Russia for help.

North Korea had previously gotten its internet through a hardwire to China, but that's no longer the case: Now, it has a second link to the world wide web through Russia cybersecurity firm FireEye told Bloomberg. This confirms an initial report by site 38 North that claimed the secondary connection went active on Sunday.

This gives North Korea an alternative method of accessing the internet -- which, aside from the obvious benefit of redundant access, might mitigate the damage from foreign attempts to block their service. A report on Sunday revealed that US Cybercommand had been harassing the North Korean government's hacking group with denial-of-service attacks for six months. It's unclear if their method would be as effective now that the East Asian country has a second line to the outside internet.

Source: www.engadget.com...

Okay, and? Internet is a fairly essential piece of infrastructure in this day and age.

It doesn't seem that their service from China was terminated.

North Korea feels that they will be less vulnerable to the Cyberwarfare that the U.S. is conducting against their Internet service, if they also have a connection via Russia as well.

Russ has very few friends, so helping North Korea is a way of keeping one of them. That said, I don't think Russia will be supporting NKs nuclear programme. What is more plausible (and likely) is that NK has benefited from the institutional corruption in Russia.

originally posted by: paraphi
Russ has very few friends, so helping North Korea is a way of keeping one of them. That said, I don't think Russia will be supporting NKs nuclear programme. What is more plausible (and likely) is that NK has benefited from the institutional corruption in Russia.

Most likely if anyone helped them from the former Union it was organised crime.

The general breakdown in society following the breakup as well as the total collapse of the state-directed economy caused organised crime to flourish.

There's long been reports that a number of nuclear weapons went missing from former soviet stockpiles in Ukraine and Bulgaria in the chaotic aftermath of the breakup. They remain unaccounted for to this day.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that somebody with the right connections and sufficient capital could purchase one of these devices.

It's often feared in western circles that terror organisations would be the primary customer, but they lack infrastructure to properly make use of these devices, North Korea however would be a very logical customer. They'd certainly be in the market post 1994.

a reply to: Revolution9

British banker set up firm ‘used by North Korea to sell weapons’

A British banker who spent two decades living in communist North Korea set up a secret offshore finance company allegedly used by the Pyongyang regime to help sell arms and expand its nuclear weapons programme.

Nigel Cowie – a fluent Korean and Chinese speaker, who studied at Edinburgh University – was behind a Pyongyang front company, DCB Finance Limited, registered in the British Virgin Islands, papers show.

He says DCB Finance was used for legitimate business and that he was unaware of any unlawful transactions.

Cowie moved to North Korea in 1995 when Kim Jong-il was in power, and went on to become head of its first foreign bank, Daedong Credit Bank. Initially operating out of a ramshackle Pyongyang hotel with a staff of three, Cowie led a consortium that in 2006 bought a 70% stake in the bank.

Giving his address as Pyongyang’s International House of Culture, he registered DCB Finance Limited, an offshoot of the bank, in the BVI in summer 2006, with a senior North Korean official, Kim Chol-sam. The Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca incorporated the company, despite North Korea being an obvious high-risk destination.

And the US gave nuclear technology to the Soviets:

"George Racey Jordan (1898-1966) was an American military officer, .. He first gained nationwide attention in December 1949 when he testified to the United States Congress about wartime Lend-Lease deliveries to the Soviet Union, in the process implicating Harry Hopkins and other high officials in the transfer of nuclear and other secrets to the USSR."

"Jordan testified (along with General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project) to the House Un-American Activities Committee about the transfers."

-George Racey Jordan

Cold War was a Fraud

Its all a bu$ine$$.

a reply to: Revolution9
The Chinese have been along with the US,have been trying to destroy Russia's economy,devalue of the Ruble,use your head,why would Russia aid them?because it says so on the liberal news

sigh..... tell something the russians diddend.....so boring all those # about russians...
while the whole world know that the CIA facilitated the steeling of the nuke-secrets from holland in the 60's
by an pakistan student at the ultra centrifuge centre in holland
he was arrested and releast with all documents by order of the CIA.... (they would find out were it was sold to...)
by now we know... pakistan india northkorea iran....end so on....one big scam....!

a reply to: Revolution9

Iran and NK are the ones trading information.

a reply to: Revolution9

No need to get all hostile as I don't discount that the point of,the article could very well be true. Just hard to take it as 100% when the article used the word probably to describe NK getting help from Ukraine. It threw up even more red flags because that specifically was part of the quote you included in your OP to state your opinion.

I am very much of the mindset that someone or someone's have helped them...they weren't equipped to do this on their own...

Even English majors make mistakes =P