Vegas Shooter ACCIDENTALLY Killed Self- A Theory By Thomas Wictor

This is absolutely preposterous. I saw the photo -- the only way that happens, where his foot is under a bipod gun, is if a crime scene is setup, and it's an error in production. When people die, they stiffen up and extend their arms and legs, he absolutely would have kicked that rifle. If he was carrying those guns, like the hypothesis posits, he would have dropped them around his body, given that his face was to that rifle, he would have dropped something on one of them.

Is he suggesting... that he was carrying that rifle and he dropped it and the bipod folded out and it landed in that ready position? If not, he would have had to been standing where it was setup, as when you fall backwards, you bounce -- and then you stiffen up, which means his feet would be behind where he was standing, if you move him forward anymore, then you realize that rifle COULDN'T HAVE been there when he died -- it was placed there after the fact.

It's more likely that it was moved there by one of the police that breached the room, than if it had been there the entire time. That photo makes zero kinds of sense, and neither does this guys Hypothesis.

Given what we know, I don't think it's reasonable to assume he killed himself. However, even if he did, then those photos are after someone contaminated the crime scene. It really can't be any other option.

For him to end up where he is, he'd have to have been standing in front of the rifle, which -- could have been possible, say he was leaning over it, but then when he fell backwards, he would have been OVER THE TOP of the rifle, not under it. It's just not even possible. It's possible he accidentally shot him self, sure. It's possible he shot himself on purpose. It's possible he didn't shoot himself at all. It's IMPOSSIBLE that the bipod rifle was there when he was shot. That was put there after no matter what happened, this is the only thing that we can know to be 100% true based upon the image.

a reply to: smurfy

sorry i wasn't replying to you thought it went back to the OP on page one.

a reply to: IAMTAT

wonder why it not in the suicide photo, you can see that part of his neck clearly.

or was that sarcasm?

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Gothmog

didn't mean to sound so smart a@@y, just looked at the photo. there doesn't appear to be any residue or injury to the outside of his face. the blood can be seen running out both sides at the corner of his mouth.

just looking at that, you would have to believe that his mouth was wide open if he slipped, or reaching down. the odds of a bullet going into ones mouth would be one for the bookies in vegas.

I didnt take it that way at all...

a reply to: SRPrime

Right. Probably hundreds of photos taken. The few we saw were after things had been moved around a bit... including the bi-pod rifle being set down over the (alleged) murderer's left ankle.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I got all the way down to this:

And he accidentally shoots himself in the mouth.

I mean...

I dunno yo!

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

You possible uncovered another clue. The number "13" stands for bad luck doesn't it? Paddock must have been really short in self-esteem and confidence, to put a "13" on his neck. It's like stamping yourself with the word "Loser".

a reply to: IAMTAT

I don't see the strong evidence the original source claims, even after reading the whole thing.

I don't see how he would accidentally shoot himself in the mouth. The mouth is used for suicide shots, and it is unlikely he would shoot himself there on accident.

Sure it never happen LOL

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originally posted by: IAMTAT
Wictor is a sober-minded thinker, who's opinions and ideas are often worth examining (IMO).
From his twitter feed today, he lays out an interesting theory, which suggests Paddock may have accidentally killed himself.

I offer his thinking here only to add more material for the discussion and speculation as to what may have actually transpired in Paddock's hotel room.
HERE is a portion of Wictor's feed:

(8) It took me several days to conclude that the mass murder accidentally shot himself.
(9) The conspiracy theorists base their conspiracies on NOTHING.
(10) Here's how I came to my conclusion:
(11) "Why is the shooter's left foot under that rifle with a bipod?" was the question.
(12) When I looked at the photo, I saw that the murderer was lying ON TOP of a rifle.
(13) It appears that the murderer was cut down in mid stride.
(14) I've never heard cops express uncertainty like that.
(15) The death photo shows that the murderer shot himself in the mouth.
(16) He coughed out three gouts of blood and drowned on the fourth. His head is thrown back because he was trying to breathe.
(17) The police say that the murderer fired for ten minutes. Then a hotel security guard pounded on his door.
(18) The murderer fired through the door.
(19) The cops breached the door an hour later. The pools of blood were partially coagulated by that time.
(20) If the murder committed suicide, he did so in a weird place. Again, it appears that he was cut down in mid-stride.
(21) The cops say he had an escape plan and intended to live. So, @drawandstrike theorized that the murderer panicked.
(22) He heard the pounding on the door, fired a rifle, and then inexpertly gathered up several rifles to move to another position.
(23) So he gathers up several rifles.
(24) He's wearing gloves, and he's holding a hammer-less snub-nose pistol in his right hand.
(25) The rifles begin to slip, or he SLIDES ON SPENT CARTRIDGE CASES on the floor.
(26) He either tried to stop the rifle from falling, or he loses his balance.
(27) And he accidentally shoots himself in the mouth.
(28) The evidence supporting this is VERY STRONG.

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Every theory is possible because we just don't know what happened yet, if ever. The one thing I keep getting stuck on though is how come the photo shows clean bullets on TOP of the pool of blood? just don't know...

a reply to: Gothmog

So now what
Twiter

Have you all learned nothing? In the absence of any concrete explanation the answer is always aliens.

a reply to: charlyv

If that's the case they wouldn't have breached the room 63 minutes after the shooting stopped. It would have been much sooner if they were already at the door

I find it hard to believe that he really ever planned on getting out of there alive. I'm sure that once that security guard had located the room he was in he knew the gig was up and instead of waiting for SWAT to blow down his door and turn him into Swiss cheese he made the decision to off himself.

Yall are sick. Looking at pics of dead bodies and living hours of your day in a mental murder scene.

And where is it getting you? Obsessed with murder?

originally posted by: CaptainBuck
I find it hard to believe that he really ever planned on getting out of there alive. I'm sure that once that security guard had located the room he was in he knew the gig was up and instead of waiting for SWAT to blow down his door and turn him into Swiss cheese he made the decision to off himself.

Yeah you can plan all you want, but if the plan is hindered by an unknown that plan will not work! I too think the security guard blew his plan and then he panicked. He may not have been suicidal but decided no way out!

N R A members like me always say that guns don't kill people, people kill people!! This may be the exception to that. All firearms today must fire from a locked breech. Slam fires are outlawed. In the dark with fired cases all over the floor, Paddock may have used an A R as a cane, holding the barrel shroud and then a live round, " cooked off in the red hot barrel". That bullet fired normally, without any trigger pulled, and killed him! I haven't heard this mentioned, but it can be considered, possible!a reply to: abeverage

originally posted by: carpooler
N R A members like me always say that guns don't kill people, people kill people!! This may be the exception to that. All firearms today must fire from a locked breech. Slam fires are outlawed. In the dark with fired cases all over the floor, Paddock may have used an A R as a cane, holding the barrel shroud and then a live round, " cooked off in the red hot barrel". That bullet fired normally, without any trigger pulled, and killed him! I haven't heard this mentioned, but it can be considered, possible!a reply to: abeverage

That is a possibility too. I have been around guns my whole life and seen a few accidents luckily none lethal! It would not surprise me in the least if this was an accident, but honestly does it make a difference from here out? Dead is Dead