Mega Car Dealer pulls ads over NFL protests-99% of their contacts say Kneeling Disrespectful

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: amazing

I don't think people were offended. In fact I have yet to see anyone say they were offended.

People (advertisers) were/are pissed that the owners haven't taken a leadership role in curtailing this while the players are on the dime. Adds are about getting your product in front of people's wealthy faces. And kneeling during the Anthem or locking arms or raising a fist or kneeling then standing is pissing the wealthy customers off.

Simple this is about money and perceived disrespect.

I disagree. I mean on my facebook feed alone I see people burning jerseys and season tickets and swearing that they'll never watch an NFL game again. Snowflakes. Special snowflakes

That's not being offended though. They aren't calling for safe spaces because people disagree with them, they are doing something about it. Protesting the NFL in return.

And try as you might, you will not turn "snowflake" or "special snowflake" back onto the right.

I kinda see it as the same thing. A guy takes a knee and people get so offended that they'll stop watching something they've loved to watch their whole lives. They have parties and bring the family over for it. They go get chips and beer and pizza for it. It's a group activity they belong to and a social outlet. Yet one guy takes a knee and they basically chop off their nose to spite their face, type of thing.

I think that's the definition of a special snowflake and then to show how patriotic they are they post it all over facebook. LOL

How is that different than a liberal getting offended over the Confederate flag? At its core, they're both snowflakes.

You don't get to trademark the term "snowflake" just because of your a conservative. I'm an independent and I'm stealing that from you. LOL

No one boycotting the NFL, and not even Trump, are trying to prevent them from kneeling themselves. I don't see Orange Hitler coming down from the WH and infringing on anyone's right to speak or protest. They will be vocal about their feelings on the matter though.

Quite different from liberals that want an entire college campus to become a safe space so that Ben Shapiro or Milo can't come and speak.

But liberals should be able to protest Milo. I mean like a normal protest, not Antifa. But even that's stupid. Why protest someone speaking just because they're a conservative? Just don't go.

I just find it funny how everyone gets so offended these days, liberals and Conservatives equally. With Christmas coming I'm going to be inundated with all the snowflakes crying about a war on Christmas. But, I'll do my best to ignore them and move on.

Milo isn't just a conservative. Ben Shapiro is just a conservative.

Milo is a professional troll. But your right just ignore the fodder

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't think that the players should be doing things like that. I actually believe we have the right to protest, but not in a place like that. We should not be protesting just because the other parties candidate won, I doubt if hardly any of those football players actually even voted.

you don't have any idea why anyone's protesting, huh?

Try going to work and using their Facebook or their business reputation to spread your political issues. How long would you be there. If I had an employee do that in my business or in my years as foreman for other companies, I would have let them go. This is not about the issue, it is about using a companies influence for personal use. If the NFL or the owners of the team wanted to take a side and it was approved by their board and stockholders, I would say go for it. These players are abusing their employment, they have rules they have to follow, they should be dumped.

These players have the right to do things when not on their job as long as they are not dragging their owners or the NFL into this.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: carewemust

What are you saying about the NFL?

The NFL will FIND WAYS to keep the revenue flowing. They'll do anything except piss off key players. Are there many "key players" violating the league's guidelines in their manual?

a reply to: rickymouse

Right, if the owners and NFL are OK with the kneeling, arm locking, and raising a fist, then have at it.

If this is the result of wishy washy leadership, and I think it is, then it will end. And I think it will end soon. It ends because of money, not because it is right or wrong.

a reply to: seasonal

I think you under estimate the football culture in the south and probably don't know much about it.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: rickymouse

Right, if the owners and NFL are OK with the kneeling, arm locking, and raising a fist, then have at it.

If this is the result of wishy washy leadership, and I think it is, then it will end. And I think it will end soon. It ends because of money, not because it is right or wrong.

If this is "OK" behavior, the league's manual of acceptable behaviors will have to be modified.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: fiverx313
you don't have any idea why anyone's protesting, huh?

Try going to work and using their Facebook or their business reputation to spread your political issues. How long would you be there. If I had an employee do that in my business or in my years as foreman for other companies, I would have let them go. This is not about the issue, it is about using a companies influence for personal use. If the NFL or the owners of the team wanted to take a side and it was approved by their board and stockholders, I would say go for it. These players are abusing their employment, they have rules they have to follow, they should be dumped.

These players have the right to do things when not on their job as long as they are not dragging their owners or the NFL into this.

you just totally ignored my point. first you care about (what you think) the reason is behind it, then when i question whether you're representing it accurately, you jump the rail and hare off after another supposed point.

the fact of the matter is, it's not up to you to decide someone else's terms of employment and what does or doesn't cross the line.

are you sure you're not just mad for some reason that doesn't have anything to do with either of those? do you have maybe ANOTHER reason you're mad about it now that we're done with the second one?

a reply to: luthier

Underestimate how? They love football? They will or won't stop watching?

I think a loss of revenue is going to end this.

a reply to: carewemust

The fact that it has not been stopped means it is endorsed.

There has been plenty of time to put a stop to this demonstrating on the field. My guess is the NFL owners either thought it would run it's self out of steam. Or, that the owners were afraid of the name calling for opposing this.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: fiverx313
you don't have any idea why anyone's protesting, huh?

Try going to work and using their Facebook or their business reputation to spread your political issues. How long would you be there. If I had an employee do that in my business or in my years as foreman for other companies, I would have let them go. This is not about the issue, it is about using a companies influence for personal use. If the NFL or the owners of the team wanted to take a side and it was approved by their board and stockholders, I would say go for it. These players are abusing their employment, they have rules they have to follow, they should be dumped.

These players have the right to do things when not on their job as long as they are not dragging their owners or the NFL into this.

you just totally ignored my point. first you care about (what you think) the reason is behind it, then when i question whether you're representing it accurately, you jump the rail and hare off after another supposed point.

the fact of the matter is, it's not up to you to decide someone else's terms of employment and what does or doesn't cross the line.

are you sure you're not just mad for some reason that doesn't have anything to do with either of those? do you have maybe ANOTHER reason you're mad about it now that we're done with the second one?

I don't get mad about things like this, I try to evaluate a situation using consensus of the time and Wisdom. It is not in the best interest of the NFL to alienate half of the public. And, I have to say, I know way more Republicans that watch football than Democrats. Why would this be beneficial to the NFL. I am talking two to one ratio, the majority of Democrats I know do not watch football or much sports other than highschool stuff.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't get mad about things like this, I try to evaluate a situation using consensus of the time and Wisdom. It is not in the best interest of the NFL to alienate half of the public. And, I have to say, I know way more Republicans that watch football than Democrats. Why would this be beneficial to the NFL. I am talking two to one ratio, the majority of Democrats I know do not watch football or much sports other than highschool stuff.

so you just have the interests of the NFL in mind? that's big of you.

you do seem mad tho

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't get mad about things like this, I try to evaluate a situation using consensus of the time and Wisdom. It is not in the best interest of the NFL to alienate half of the public. And, I have to say, I know way more Republicans that watch football than Democrats. Why would this be beneficial to the NFL. I am talking two to one ratio, the majority of Democrats I know do not watch football or much sports other than highschool stuff.

so you just have the interests of the NFL in mind? that's big of you.

you do seem mad tho

Why would I be mad, it has nothing to do with me. I just dislike the actions of the players. It wasn't what I would expect of a professional in a field. I am more disappointed than anything in these people doing this and those trying to justify their actions. We have a country that allows the football players to get huge wages and to persue what they desire and they are saying they do not like America. The flag and this country is way more than one president. We have a lot of rights that other countries do not give their citizens. I think these players are disconnected with the reality we live in, they are thinking they are more important than our society. I may not agree with some of the stuff our government does but I would not like to live in most other countries in this world. I used to lean more towards liberal and democrat but now I am starting to see we should be more conservative and I am tending to like the Republican party more after this election. I supported Obama in both his elections, but at the end of his second term I was seeing things not good for our country. His choice of Hillary as secretary of state was not a good one, she would not follow the rules she was supposed to follow. Then they put her on the ticket for president and I am sure it would have gotten really bad if she would have been president. Trump is not the only one who needs to watch what is said, Hillary is going to degrade the Democrats worse with her statements.

Am I mad, no, I am disappointed that we cannot have better people to vote for. Trump's only problem is he is an alpha male and will respond to challenges without totally thinking things through.